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=== Inline citations vs. footnotes  ===
We may need to cite sources differently depending on whether we're mentioning a great record source within the body of an article or creating a footnote. [[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 17:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


== Turabian? Shown Mills? Chigago? Oh my!  ==
== Turabian? Shown Mills? Chigago? Oh my!  ==


I'm preparing to launch [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Linking to Books in the BYU Family History Archives|WikiProject:Linking to Books in the BYU Family History Archives]] but I don't know which format to use for the book references. APA? MLA? Chicago? Shown Mills? Turabian? Any ideas? It would be nice to come to a consensus before adding these 1300 references so the community won't have to come back and change their citation format later. [[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 17:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  
I'm preparing to launch [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Linking to Books in the BYU Family History Archives|WikiProject:Linking to Books in the BYU Family History Archives]] but I don't know which format to use for the book references. APA? MLA? Chicago? Shown Mills? Turabian? Any ideas? It would be nice to come to a consensus before adding these 1300 references so the community won't have to come back and change their citation format later. [[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 17:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  
=== Inline citations vs. footnotes  ===
We may need to cite sources differently depending on whether we're mentioning a great record source within the body of an article or creating a footnote. [[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 17:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


=== How Wikipedia does it  ===
=== How Wikipedia does it  ===
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Grenham, John. Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. (Family History Library book [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj 941.5 D27gj].)  
Grenham, John. Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. (Family History Library book [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj 941.5 D27gj].)  


[[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 17:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  
[[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 12:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  


== Replace "Family History Library" with "FHL" in references ==
== Disambiguation pages ==


FamilySearch Wiki references thousands of books, microfilms, and fiche at the Family History Library. Each of these references contains the words "Family History Library," such as the following:
The style guide regarding disambiguation over at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(disambiguation_pages) Wikipedia] looks pretty good. Are there any changes we would want to make for the Research Wiki, or could we basically adopt the Wikipedia approach? [[User:Diltsgd|Diltsgd]] 05:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  We currently have two similar templates being used in much the same way, Template:Disambig and Template:Geodis. We should use the style guide to document how and when to use them, and if we want to stop using one, or continue using both. [[User:Diltsgd|Diltsgd]] 14:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide''. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. (Family History Library book [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj 941.5 D27gj].)  
 
For readability's sake, some users are calling for the words "Family History Library" in these links be shortened to "FHL" and made into a link which introduces the FHL to those who don't already know the acronym.
 
So the new style would look like this:
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide''. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([[The Family History Library|FHL]] book  [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj 941.5 D27gj].)
 
This idea was proposed by [[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]]. I am serving as his scribe here. [[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 19:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)  
 
:As mentioned below, I suggest FHL not be linked.  When they click on the call number link, they will learn quickly enough that FHL stands for the Family History Library.  I prefer the acronym for the same reason, and it's shorter.  [[User:Bakerbh|Bakerbh]] 21:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 
:I agree with bakerbh. The acronym is sufficient. I'm sure one day we'll see the acronyms TNA (The National Archives), LOC (Library of Congress), ACPL (Allen County Public Library), NARA (National Archives Records Administration), and so forth.<br>
 
:The volunteers who started the project of linking call numbers to the catalog were given guidelines. After that, volunteers chose to do what they thought best. Some chose to type Family History Library; some FHL. Some linked an entire string, including the words Family History Library or FHL. Some chose to link only the film/fiche of book number. Some chose to link the book number, then link a film/fiche number separately, even though the links went to the same catalog record. [[User:Anne|Anne]] 17:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 
== Referencing OCLC/Worldcat works  ==
 
It is proposed that references&nbsp;to works found on OCLC/Worldcat&nbsp;should be linked to the "All editions and formats" entry for that work in OCLC/WorldCat. One&nbsp;question is how the entry should look. Which of the following (or some variant) would work best if we adopt this proposal?
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide''. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/ OCLC]&nbsp;[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68627254/editions?editionsView=true&referer=di 68627254].)
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors'': The Complete Guide. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([http://www.worldcat.org/ WorldCat]&nbsp;[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68627254/editions?editionsView=true&referer=di 68627254].)&nbsp;
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors'': The Complete Guide. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/ OCLC/WorldCat]&nbsp;[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68627254/editions?editionsView=true&referer=di 68627254].)
 
[[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 19:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)  


:The second style seems the best--WorldCat is more recognized, is part of the domain name, and putting both OCLC and WorldCat looks unattractive. [[User:Alan|Alan]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
== MOS is guidelines hopefully, not policies  ==


:As long as the&nbsp;record identifies what resource you are in (when you click on the item number), I don't think the resource name or acronym needs to be a link.&nbsp; I would use WorldCat because that is what appears in the record when you click on the link.&nbsp; [[User:Bakerbh|Bakerbh]] 21:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I like the idea of guidelines, and a way to suggest such on this page. I hope that contributors will take them as such and not assume that they&nbsp; are a "must". I haven't looked but wonder what Wikipedia's guidelines are for their pages. Many of them have the same look. [[User:Anne|Anne]] 17:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


== Format for OCLC and FHLC works  ==
== Format for OCLC and FHLC works  ==
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::This may work for some things, but not if there is a link embedded in the text.&nbsp; I tried.&nbsp; [[User:Bakerbh|Bakerbh]] 19:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::This may work for some things, but not if there is a link embedded in the text.&nbsp; I tried.&nbsp; [[User:Bakerbh|Bakerbh]] 19:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


== Guidelines for large projects ==
== Replace&nbsp;"Family History Library" with "FHL" in references  ==
 
FamilySearch Wiki references&nbsp;thousands of books, microfilms, and fiche at the Family History Library. Each of these references&nbsp;contains the words "Family History Library," such as&nbsp;the following:
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide''. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. (Family History Library book [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj 941.5 D27gj].)&nbsp;&nbsp;
 
For readability's sake, some users are calling for the words "Family History Library" in these links be shortened to "FHL" and made into a link which introduces the FHL to those who don't already know the acronym.
 
So the new style would look like this:
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide''. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([[The Family History Library|FHL]] book&nbsp; [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj 941.5 D27gj].)
 
This idea was proposed by [[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]]. I am serving as his scribe here. [[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 19:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 
:As mentioned below, I suggest FHL not be linked.&nbsp; When they click on the call number link, they will learn quickly enough that FHL stands for the Family History Library.&nbsp; I prefer the acronym for the same reason, and it's shorter.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Bakerbh|Bakerbh]] 21:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 
:I agree with bakerbh. The acronym is sufficient. I'm sure one day we'll see the acronyms TNA (The National Archives), LOC (Library of Congress), ACPL (Allen County Public Library), NARA (National Archives Records Administration), and so forth.<br>
 
:The volunteers who started the project of linking call numbers to the catalog were given guidelines. After that, volunteers chose to do what they thought best. Some chose to type Family History Library; some FHL. Some linked an entire string, including the words Family History Library or FHL. Some chose to link only the film/fiche of book number. Some chose to link the book number, then link a film/fiche number separately, even though the links went to the same catalog record. [[User:Anne|Anne]] 17:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 
== Referencing OCLC/Worldcat works ==
 
It is proposed that references&nbsp;to works found on OCLC/Worldcat&nbsp;should be linked to the "All editions and formats" entry for that work in OCLC/WorldCat. One&nbsp;question is how the entry should look. Which of the following (or some variant) would work best if we adopt this proposal?
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide''. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/ OCLC]&nbsp;[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68627254/editions?editionsView=true&referer=di 68627254].)
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors'': The Complete Guide. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([http://www.worldcat.org/ WorldCat]&nbsp;[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68627254/editions?editionsView=true&referer=di 68627254].)&nbsp;
 
Grenham, John. ''Tracing Your Irish Ancestors'': The Complete Guide. Dublin, Ireland: Gill and Macmillan, 1992. ([http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/ OCLC/WorldCat]&nbsp;[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/68627254/editions?editionsView=true&referer=di 68627254].)


It would be helpful to have some guidelines established for large projects, such as the pages created for US state or county pages. I'm thinking specifically of the England probate registers project that includes a page for each of the 40 counties. It's user-friendly to have the same "look and feel", including the heading and subheading styles. [[User:Anne|Anne]] 18:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br>
[[User:Ritcheymt|Ritcheymt]] 19:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)  


== Disambiguation pages  ==
:The second style seems the best--WorldCat is more recognized, is part of the domain name, and putting both OCLC and WorldCat looks unattractive. [[User:Alan|Alan]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


The style guide regarding disambiguation over at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(disambiguation_pages) Wikipedia] looks pretty good. Are there any changes we would want to make for the Research Wiki, or could we basically adopt the Wikipedia approach? [[User:Diltsgd|Diltsgd]] 05:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)&nbsp; We currently have two similar templates being used in much the same way, Template:Disambig and Template:Geodis. We should use the style guide to document how and when to use them, and if we want to stop using one, or continue using both. [[User:Diltsgd|Diltsgd]] 14:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)  
:As long as the&nbsp;record identifies what resource you are in (when you click on the item number), I don't think the resource name or acronym needs to be a link.&nbsp; I would use WorldCat because that is what appears in the record when you click on the link.&nbsp; [[User:Bakerbh|Bakerbh]] 21:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


== MOS is guidelines hopefully, not policies ==
== Guidelines for large projects  ==


I like the idea of guidelines, and a way to suggest such on this page. I hope that contributors will take them as such and not assume that they&nbsp; are a "must". I haven't looked but wonder what Wikipedia's guidelines are for their pages. Many of them have the same look. [[User:Anne|Anne]] 17:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br>
It would be helpful to have some guidelines established for large projects, such as the pages created for US state or county pages. I'm thinking specifically of the England probate registers project that includes a page for each of the 40 counties. It's user-friendly to have the same "look and feel", including the heading and subheading styles. [[User:Anne|Anne]] 18:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br>
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