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:My point is purely that they do exist, are used, and can be found within a search. I am not against nor for portals, just trying to find compelling reasons one way or another and stay objective with the facts. Some have expressed headache both ways. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)  
:My point is purely that they do exist, are used, and can be found within a search. I am not against nor for portals, just trying to find compelling reasons one way or another and stay objective with the facts. Some have expressed headache both ways. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)  
::Granted both are complicated to edit, but the portal far more complicated and I tried once and got it so messed up, had to ask sysop for assistance. Portals are scaring off the potential user/contributors. We aren't attracting contributors like we should to those ones in desperate need of contributions. Therefore, ditch the portal format in favor of the non-portal format. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)  
::Granted both are complicated to edit, but the portal far more complicated and I tried once and got it so messed up, had to ask sysop for assistance. Portals are scaring off the potential user/contributors. We aren't attracting contributors like we should to those ones in desperate need of contributions. Therefore, ditch the portal format in favor of the non-portal format. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)  
::Oh by the way, in portals, the TOCs are uncreateable. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh by the way, in portals, the TOCs are uncreateable. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)  
::I agree that we are not attracting contributors like we should. However, I personally do not believe the portals would be even a major reason. I will stop now as I want to try to keep this to the subject at hand. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::I agree that we are not attracting contributors like we should. However, I personally do not believe the portals would be even a major reason. I will stop now as I want to try to keep this to the subject at hand. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::Thomas, you need to step aside from being a engineer and try simply being a researcher. They don't think the way you do. They think more of subjects that are not being picked up even by Google because they are inside portal boxes. This is the weakness of the Portals. Go to the "Un-Portal" portal format, and they will be picked up more easily. This is my last comment. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 19:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


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