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:Thomas, if you check the history, there are little contributions compared to the ones not in portals. Knock portals out of urls, you get the much much more information and the public don't even know they exist. Utah portal in Wikipedia is a joke, little information and fewer links and oversized boxes. Again, the public users do NOT even see those portals! The unportal Utah has far more edits and more information. The key is the ease of editing and updating. The portals give me quite an headache trying to edit and update. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | :Thomas, if you check the history, there are little contributions compared to the ones not in portals. Knock portals out of urls, you get the much much more information and the public don't even know they exist. Utah portal in Wikipedia is a joke, little information and fewer links and oversized boxes. Again, the public users do NOT even see those portals! The unportal Utah has far more edits and more information. The key is the ease of editing and updating. The portals give me quite an headache trying to edit and update. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:My point is purely that they do exist, are used, and can be found within a search. I am not against nor for portals, just trying to find compelling reasons one way or another and stay objective with the facts. Some have expressed headache both ways. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | :My point is purely that they do exist, are used, and can be found within a search. I am not against nor for portals, just trying to find compelling reasons one way or another and stay objective with the facts. Some have expressed headache both ways. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Granted both are complicated to edit, but the portal far more complicated and I tried once and got it so messed up, had to ask sysop for assistance. Portals are scaring off the potential user/contributors. We aren't attracting contributors like we should to those ones in desperate need of contributions. Therefore, ditch the portal format in favor of the non-portal format. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Granted both are complicated to edit, but the portal far more complicated and I tried once and got it so messed up, had to ask sysop for assistance. Portals are scaring off the potential user/contributors. We aren't attracting contributors like we should to those ones in desperate need of contributions. Therefore, ditch the portal format in favor of the non-portal format. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Oh by the way, in portals, the TOCs are uncreateable. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Oh by the way, in portals, the TOCs are uncreateable. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I agree that we are not attracting contributors like we should. However, I personally do not believe the portals would be even a major reason. I will stop now as I want to try to keep this to the subject at hand. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
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