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=== Introduce new members  ===
=== Introduce new members  ===


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:*Chelsie Woehl and Dorthy Horan


=== Kudos go to ...  ===
=== Kudos go to ...  ===


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:*Jane Colmenares


=== Updates and follow up  ===
=== Updates and follow up  ===


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:*During an 11 October 2011 meeting of the Wiki Community and Wiki Engineers, a committee was appointed and charged to address issues related to stubs in the wiki. Our report follows; we invite comment and discussion on this forum. Items are numbered to facilitate responses to specific points<br>.<br>1. We need stubs. Without the stub on the page the page does not exist. This also makes the article searchable, and easier to find.
:*2. Changing the name “stub” is not a good idea; this would cause many dead links and things that would need to be corrected.
:*3. Develop a system to track all stub pages, so that we can maintain them. Place them on the maintenance page sorted by date of last edit.<br>a. Develop a template to put on a stub page that indicates it will be removed by _____ [insert a date] if content is not added. This would be accompanied by an email to the last contributor to the page of the pending action.
::*Concerns about adding a date or deleting these pages.  Removing leaves no incentive to add to the page.  It could be perceived as a threat, rather than an invitation to add more.
::*Some pages were set up but never developed.  Moderators and/or Adopters could be looking at Stubs and evaluating them. 
::*For pages that have been there a long time, projects that are working with these pages could evaluate the usefulness of the page and put the stub template on the page. 
::*How do we get stub banner removed on pages that have been developed.
::*A project could link to a list of stubs for that project so that people can see what needs to be added.
:*<br>b. At present there is a sentence on the FamilySearch Wiki:Stub page ([[FamilySearch Wiki:Stub]]) that seems to capture stubs. It states “Find a listing of them in the Category:Stubs.” This page is inadequate, however; it returned only five stubs (on 12 October 2011). See Category:Help stubs [[:Category:Help stubs]]. We know there are many more than five.<br><br>4. Refine the criteria for removing stub labels. The present criteria just defines the challenge:<br>FamilySearch Wiki:stub ([[FamilySearch Wiki:Stub]])<br>“There is no set size at which an article stops being a stub. While very short articles are likely to be stubs, there are some subjects about which there is very little that can be written. Conversely, there are subjects about which a lot could be written - their articles may still be stubs even if they are a few paragraphs long. As such, it is impossible to state whether an article is a stub based solely on its length, and any decision on the article has to come down to an editor's best judgement “<br>We have placed this on the Forums<br>
::*Wikipedia has a graduated template, depending on the status of the article, but we don't have the people to follow through on something like this.  It could be a future project.  How do other sites handle this?
::*The community could be helpful in working with the stubs.
::*Could the contributor evaluate whether the article is needing more information or is complete, but is it ready to be used as a feature article? 
::*The stub template needs to be more inviting.  Would you like to help?
::*Review of short pages are probably stubs but are not identified with the template


=== Business/Announcements  ===
=== Business/Announcements  ===


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::*Pass along cards can be mailed out.  James Tanner, Lynda Avery, Dorothy Horan, Ken Knight, Linda Carver, Wiki support team,


=== Style Guide Discussions  ===
=== Style Guide Discussions  ===
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=== Improve the Wiki  ===
=== Improve the Wiki  ===


:*What is the process for selecting feature articles?&nbsp; How do we emphasize the best?&nbsp; How do we make sure less-than-best or less-than-ready don't end up featured? [[User:Lembley|Lise]] 14:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)  
:*What is the process for selecting feature articles? How do we emphasize the best? How do we make sure less-than-best or less-than-ready don't end up featured? [[User:Lembley|Lise]] 14:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)  
::*A criteria is needed - could use one from Wikipedia with refinements.
::*Would be nice to have a page with articles that will be featured in the near future, so that edits could be made before it's featured.  Put a comment on the Talk page so that people will be notified of the change.
::*Spam - how to get it removed very quickly - in Forums.  Sometimes, there is a time lag before marked threads are dealt with.  Could there be a way that the thread is hidden until it is deleted.
:*Subpages – Clarification and possible policy change. [[Help:Subpages|Help:Subpages]] says: “By default, MediaWiki's subpage feature is turned off in the main namespace, but can be used on [[Help:Talk pages|talk pages]] and [[Help:User page|user pages]]. See [[Help:Namespaces|Help:Namespaces]]. In namespaces where the feature is switched off, any slashes (/) within a page name are simply part of the page name and do nothing special.”
:*Subpages – Clarification and possible policy change. [[Help:Subpages|Help:Subpages]] says: “By default, MediaWiki's subpage feature is turned off in the main namespace, but can be used on [[Help:Talk pages|talk pages]] and [[Help:User page|user pages]]. See [[Help:Namespaces|Help:Namespaces]]. In namespaces where the feature is switched off, any slashes (/) within a page name are simply part of the page name and do nothing special.”


::The above paragraph seems to talk about two different things.
::The above paragraph seems to talk about two different things.


::#Where subpages ''can'' be used.&nbsp; This seems to imply that subpages are ''only'' for talk and user pages.  
::#Where subpages ''can'' be used. This seems to imply that subpages are ''only'' for talk and user pages.  
::#The breadcrumb trail that can be automatically generated.&nbsp; Should this be turned on for other types of pages? Judy 19:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)  
::#The breadcrumb trail that can be automatically generated. Should this be turned on for other types of pages? Judy 19:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


:*What are all the FCK editor bugs? Can someone volunteer to add them to the [[FamilySearch Wiki:Known Issues|Known Issues]] page and/or the [[Help talk:The Editing Tool (FCK Editor)|Editing Tool]] page?
:*What are all the FCK editor bugs? Can someone volunteer to add them to the [[FamilySearch Wiki:Known Issues|Known Issues]] page and/or the [[Help talk:The Editing Tool (FCK Editor)|Editing Tool]] page?
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*[https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/showthread.php?t=9863 Community Center - rework] Comments re: [[User:VasquezJL/Sandbox/Community Center 2|Community Center]]
*[https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/showthread.php?t=9888 Wiki Index is Convoluted?]] Includes comments re: search problems
 
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*[https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/showthread.php?p=41448#post41448 Refining the Moderator's Role]
*[https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/showthread.php?p=41448#post41448 Refining the Moderator's Role] Check out the refined guidelines!


'''Decisions made since last week'''  
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