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::I just realized something else you said. You requested the type to be displayed (film, book, CD, etc.). According to consensus in the [[FamilySearch Wiki:Format for Citing and Linking to Works in FHLC, Worldcat (OCLC)|Manual of Style]] (as long as I understood it correctly), the media type would not be displayed. If you feel this should be revisited, may I suggest that you put it on a community meeting agenda? It may be worth discussing more. A discussion on what I was referring to with summary or details is more like the questions I posed in the Microfilm section below. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ::I just realized something else you said. You requested the type to be displayed (film, book, CD, etc.). According to consensus in the [[FamilySearch Wiki:Format for Citing and Linking to Works in FHLC, Worldcat (OCLC)|Manual of Style]] (as long as I understood it correctly), the media type would not be displayed. If you feel this should be revisited, may I suggest that you put it on a community meeting agenda? It may be worth discussing more. A discussion on what I was referring to with summary or details is more like the questions I posed in the Microfilm section below. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
For the above examples see the sections below for their results [[Template talk:FHL#Books|Books]], [[Template talk:FHL#Microfilm_.2F_Fiche|Microfilm / Fiche]], and [[Template talk:FHL#CDs|CDs]]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | For the above examples see the sections below for their results [[Template talk:FHL#Books|Books]], [[Template talk:FHL#Microfilm_.2F_Fiche|Microfilm / Fiche]], and [[Template talk:FHL#CDs|CDs]]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Discussion in Manual of Style == | == Discussion in Manual of Style == | ||
Other discussion may be viewed as part of the [[FamilySearch Wiki talk:Format for Citing and Linking to Works in FHLC, Worldcat (OCLC)#FHLC|Manual of Style]] [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | Other discussion may be viewed as part of the [[FamilySearch Wiki talk:Format for Citing and Linking to Works in FHLC, Worldcat (OCLC)#FHLC|Manual of Style]]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Required extension for implementation == | == Long lists of films? == | ||
{{resolved|required #Replace: functionality}} This template requires #Replace: functionality. This functionality is achieved through the StringFunctions within the ParserFunctions . . . may need an upgrade to ParserFunctions and definitely enable them. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
See [[FamilySearch Wiki:Guiding Principles]] and [[FamilySearch Wiki:Purpose and Appropriate Topics]] (specifically [[FamilySearch Wiki:Purpose and Appropriate Topics#Limited_Topics|Limited Topics]]). Maybe we need to have title numbers if they will be persistent??? * See [[Template_talk:FHL#Title number|Title number]] section. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 17:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Required extension for implementation == | |||
{{resolved|required #Replace: functionality}} This template requires #Replace: functionality. This functionality is achieved through the StringFunctions within the ParserFunctions . . . may need an upgrade to ParserFunctions and definitely enable them. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Microfilm / Fiche == | == Microfilm / Fiche == | ||
Current example(s) cited elsewhere in this article: | Current example(s) cited elsewhere in this article: | ||
*Film: {{tlx|FHL|203621}} produces {{FHL|203621}} | *Film: {{tlx|FHL|203621}} produces {{FHL|203621}} | ||
*Film: {{tlx|FHL|203621|film}} produces {{FHL|203621|film}} | *Film: {{tlx|FHL|203621|film}} produces {{FHL|203621|film}} | ||
Should microfilm {{tlx|FHL|1059152}} produce which of the following (currently produces {{FHL|1059152}})? | Should microfilm {{tlx|FHL|1059152}} produce which of the following (currently produces {{FHL|1059152}})? | ||
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#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/filmhitlistframe.asp?display=filmhitlist&filmno=1059152&first=undefined&last=undefined# Film search results] (without columns or colors) | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/filmhitlistframe.asp?display=filmhitlist&filmno=1059152&first=undefined&last=undefined# Film search results] (without columns or colors) | ||
#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*,0,0&filmno=1059152 Film search results] (with colors, but no columns) | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*,0,0&filmno=1059152 Film search results] (with colors, but no columns) | ||
#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=319732&disp=Patron+ordinance+submission+sheets%20%20&columns=*,180,0 Title details] | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=319732&disp=Patron+ordinance+submission+sheets%20%20&columns=*,180,0 Title details] * See [[Template_talk:FHL#Title number|Title number]] section | ||
# | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=319732&disp=Patron+ordinance+submission+sheets++ Title film notes] * See [[Template_talk:FHL#Title number|Title number]] section | ||
#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=319732&disp=Patron+ordinance+submission+sheets++ Title film notes] | |||
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#something else | #something else | ||
[[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
=== Film number not working === | === Film number not working === | ||
[[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]] pointed out that some problem exists on [[Remich Commune, Luxembourg]] where you find the census in the FHLC, copy the film number (ie. 2398734), use this in {{tlx|FHL|2398734}} with this [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&columns=*,0,0&titleno=2398734&disp=2398734 result]. This link is not right. I found that I was testing some other thing and forgot to change it back. This uses title details which uses some other title number other the the film number. I should have been using (and am back there now) the Film Hit List similar to the Book Hit List where this same example produces this [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*,0,0&filmno=2398734 result]. See | [[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]] pointed out that some problem exists on [[Remich Commune, Luxembourg]] where you find the census in the FHLC, copy the film number (ie. 2398734), use this in {{tlx|FHL|2398734}} with this [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&columns=*,0,0&titleno=2398734&disp=2398734 result]. This link is not right. I found that I was testing some other thing and forgot to change it back. This uses title details which uses some other title number other the the film number. I should have been using (and am back there now) the Film Hit List similar to the Book Hit List where this same example produces this [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*,0,0&filmno=2398734 result]. See [[Template_talk:FHL#Title number|Title number]] section. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 16:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
== | == Books == | ||
Current example(s) cited elsewhere in this article: | |||
*Book: {{tlx|FHL|973 X2Lai|book}} produces {{FHL|973 X2Lai|book}} | |||
*Book: {{tlx|FHL|973 X2Lai|book}} produces {{FHL|973 X2Lai|book}} | |||
Should books {{tlx|FHL|941.5 D27gj|book}} produce which of the following? | Should books {{tlx|FHL|941.5 D27gj|book}} produce which of the following? | ||
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#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?order=T&display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj Call number search results] ordered by title | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?order=T&display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj Call number search results] ordered by title | ||
#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?order=A&display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj Call number search results] ordered by author | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?order=A&display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+D27gj Call number search results] ordered by author | ||
#[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=1323602&disp=Tracing+your+Irish+ancestors%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Title details] | #[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=1323602&disp=Tracing+your+Irish+ancestors%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Title details] * See [[Template_talk:FHL#Title number|Title number]] section | ||
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#something else | #something else | ||
[[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
== CDs == | == CDs == | ||
Current example(s) cited elsewhere in this article: | Current example(s) cited elsewhere in this article: | ||
*CDs: see [[Template talk:FHL#CDs|CDs section]] | *CDs: see [[Template talk:FHL#CDs|CDs section]] | ||
Two examples were given of CD examples above. However, the URL uses a title number that is not anywhere on the page. How would someone find a CD or the title number? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | Two examples were given of CD examples above. However, the URL uses a title number that is not anywhere on the page. How would someone find a CD or the title number? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
: | :This has not been answered. The template does not work for CDs at this time as Title numbers are not implemented at this time. * See [[Template_talk:FHL#Title number|Title number]] section. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 19:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Place / Surname / Keyword / Title / Author / Subject == | == Place / Surname / Keyword / Title / Author / Subject == | ||
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== Title number == | == Title number == | ||
This has not been implemented at this time. The potential problems with using this: | |||
#Requires a title number instead of the film / call number. I do not know if these are persistent. | |||
#The display name should be passed into it to get the title bar correct. This seems very odd that these work this way. | |||
I am waiting for comments from the FHLC engineers as posted in the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=1964 forum]. [[User:Thomas_Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||