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I have noticed some portals have been created but no content has ever been added to the initial template. For example, most (if not all) of the [[Hungary#Historic_Counties_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary|Historic Counties of the Kingdom of Hungary]]. I propose that these be marked {{tl|DeleteASAP}} so that they can be speedily deleted. --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 22:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)  
I have noticed some portals have been created but no content has ever been added to the initial template. For example, most (if not all) of the [[Hungary#Historic_Counties_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary|Historic Counties of the Kingdom of Hungary]]. I propose that these be marked {{tl|DeleteASAP}} so that they can be speedily deleted. --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 22:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)  


:*'''Agree''' - but links to the portals without any content should be edited so the portal page is not recreated. If there are no objections to this proposal, should the links be red (to pages not yet created) or should a stub page be created to replace to deleted portal page? --[[User:Franjensen|Fran]] 22:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:*'''Agree''' - but links to the portals without any content should be edited so the portal page is not recreated. If there are no objections to this proposal, should the links be red (to pages not yet created) or should a stub page be created to replace to deleted portal page? --[[User:Franjensen|Fran]] 22:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)  
::I am not sure I understand your proposal. Normally in any page to be deleted, all links are hunted down then deactivated then tagged to be deleted. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 23:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::I am not sure I understand your proposal. Normally in any page to be deleted, all links are hunted down then deactivated then tagged to be deleted. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 23:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::The example, [[Hungary#Historic_Counties_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary|Historic Counties of the Kingdom of Hungary]], shows that all the historic counties have active links to county pages that are currently portal pages. If the portal pages are deleted, the links to those portal pages will still be on the [[Hungary#Historic_Counties_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary|Historic Counties of the Kingdom of Hungary]] page, only now they would be red links because the associated portals would have been deleted. Therefore, my proposal for the conversion process in this case was to make sure the links to those portal pages were changed to links to un-portal pages so that the portal pages were not accidently recreated. --[[User:Franjensen|Fran]] 23:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


== Speeding up the process of converting portals to un-portals ==
== Speeding up the process of converting portals to un-portals ==


At my request, [[User:CottrellS|Steve]] created the un-portal page for [[Utah]] and used the {{tl|US-sidebar}} to create the list of US topics instead of typing the entire list. The advantage of using a template includes the speed in which the portal could be converted. The proposed change to the process for creating an un-portal page would be to use the sidebars for the major localities around the world. Steve has been working on the development of the different sidebars for the list of Topics and has more background understanding than I do at this point. As you can see the current un-portal design is not very different from the one that uses the sidebar template. For example, see [[Utah]], [[England]], [[Essex]] and other county pages in England as examples of un-portal pages that were created using the sidebar template. There may be other examples that I'm not aware of. Examples of un-portal pages that did not use the sidebar template include: [[Brazil]], [[Iceland]], [[Denmark]], or many others. Steve has already volunteered to help with the conversion of portal pages to the un-portal page. --[[User:Franjensen|Fran]] 23:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
At my request, [[User:CottrellS|Steve]] created the un-portal page for [[Utah]] and used the {{tl|US-sidebar}} to create the list of US topics instead of typing the entire list. The advantage of using a template includes the speed in which the portal could be converted. The proposed change to the process for creating an un-portal page would be to use the sidebars for the major localities around the world. Steve has been working on the development of the different sidebars for the list of Topics and has more background understanding than I do at this point. As you can see the current un-portal design is not very different from the one that uses the sidebar template. For example, see [[Utah]], [[England]], [[Essex]] and other county pages in England as examples of un-portal pages that were created using the sidebar template. There may be other examples that I'm not aware of. Examples of un-portal pages that did not use the sidebar template include: [[Brazil]], [[Iceland]], [[Denmark]], or many others. Steve has already volunteered to help with the conversion of portal pages to the un-portal page. --[[User:Franjensen|Fran]] 23:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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