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In Hungarian records, dates are sometimes written out:  
In Hungarian records, dates are sometimes written out:  
július huszonötödikén Az Úrnak ezernyolcszázharminchatodik esztendejében = on the twenty-fifth of July in the year of Our Lord one thousand eight hundred thirty and six  
július huszonötödikén Az Úrnak ezernyolcszázharminchatodik esztendejében = on the twenty-fifth of July in the year of Our Lord one thousand eight hundred thirty and six  


To understand Hungarian dates, use the following lists as well as the preceding “Numbers” section:  
To understand Hungarian dates, use the following lists as well as the preceding “Numbers” section:  


'''It is important to note that there was a calendering change.'''  At one time, there were only ten months in a year.  (July and August were later additions.) Some Hungarian records reflect that difference with our modern twelve month calender. Therefore, in earlier times, September was the seventh month, October the eighth, November the ninth, and December the tenth month of the year. This archaic dating was in place in the early 1900s.


Also, when looking at these records, note the "by" is their equivalent to our current "th", as in 7th or 8th. For more detailed instructions see description after the table.
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|-
'''Months'''  
| width="100%" bgcolor="#ADFF85" colspan="3" | <center>'''Hungarian Month Names''' </center>
 
{| class="FCK__ShowTableBorders"
|-
|-
| '''Old Calendar'''
| '''Numerical'''
| '''English'''  
| '''English'''  
| '''Hungarian'''  
| '''Hungarian'''  
| '''Archaic Form'''
| '''Archaic Form'''
|-
|-
|I
|I
| January  
| January  
| január  
| január  
| Boldog Asszony hava
| Boldog Asszony hava
|-
|-
| II
| II
| February  
| February  
| február  
| február  
| Böjtelö hava
| Böjtelö hava
|-
|-
| III
| III
| March  
| March  
| március  
| március  
| Böjtmás hava
| Böjtmás hava
|-
|-
| IV
| IV
| April  
| April  
| április  
| április  
| Szent György hava
| Szent György hava
|-
|-  
| V
| V
| May  
| May  
| május  
| május  
| Pünkösd hava
| Pünkösd hava
|-
|-
| VI
| VI
| June  
| June  
| június  
| június  
| Szent Iván hava
| Szent Iván hava
|-
|-
| (non-exist)
| VII (or 7)
| July  
| July  
| július  
| július  
| Szent Jakab hava
| Szent Jakab hava
|-
|-
| (non-exist)
| VIII (or 8)
| August  
| August  
| augusztus  
| augusztus  
| Kis Asszony hava
| Kis Asszony hava
|-
|-
| VII
| IX (or 9)
| September  
| September  
| szeptember  
| szeptember  
| Szent Mihály <br>hava
| Szent Mihály <br>hava
|-
|-
| VIII
| X (or 10)
| October  
| October  
| október  
| október  
| Mindszent hava
| Mindszent hava
|-
|-
| IX
| XI (or 11)
| November  
| November  
| november  
| november  
| Szent András <br>hava
| Szent András <br>hava
|-
|-
| X
| XII (or 12)
| December  
| December  
| december  
| december  
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In records from the Reformed Church Records for Mandok, Szabolcs, Hungary – FHL Film # 632192, the Roman numerals associated with months follow the older calender ( i.e. September is represented by 7 or VII, (not IX or 9); October is the 8th or VIII month; November is the 9th or IX month; and December is the 10th or X month. Note that almost without exception the records are sequential, advancing from month to month and day to day within each month.  
'''Caution:''' It is important to note that in some early 1800 Hungarian records months were identified by Roman or Arabic numerals corresponding to the Latin roots in the '''names''' of the last four months of the year – September through December. It would be natural to assume that the 6th day of the X th month would be 6 October, when in fact the actual date is 6 December (with the X representing the Latin root “decem” and not the 10th month).
Therefore, when you come across a date with the month represented by a numeral (either Arabic or Roman), '''very carefully check''' the context to make certain you have the correct month. Very often that number will represent a kind of short hand for the Latin root of the month’s name:


Refering to the film referenced above, the christenings for Nov 1804 to Mar 1805, designation for the last month of 1804 was X not XII. Beginning at the top of the page the dates are 12 Nov (IX), 29 Nov (IX), 3 Dec (X), 18 Dec (X), 22 Dec (X) and 28 Dec (X). Note that the “by” is equivalent to our “th”.
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| width="50%" bgcolor="#ADFF85" colspan="3" | <center>'''Alternate Numbering''' </center>
|-
|September
| VII or 7
|-
|October
| VIII or 8
|-
|November
|IX or 9
|-
|December
|X or 10
|}


In the next image in the film, the christenings for Aug-Dec 1811, note that the first entry is for 29 August with the name of the month given; the next two entries are for the 7th month, which in this case is Sept not July; the next two entries are for the 8th month (Oct); then two entries for the IX (9th) month; and finally two entries for X (10th) month or Dec. Here the year ends and the next page begins the records for 1812. It is interesting to note that both Arabic (7 and 8) numerals and Roman (IX and X) are used on the same page.  
In more modern records the use of a Roman numeral will represent the number, rather than the name of the month.  In that case “1999.VII.6” would represent 6 Aug 1999.


The next image, christenings for Oct 1812-Feb 1813, also show the designations for Oct, Nov and Dec to be respectively 8, IX, and X.


The next record, christenings for Oct-Nov 1813 are interesting. Again 8 and IX are used respectively for Oct and Nov, with the exception of the 6th entry, where the month is spelled out (6 Novem..) The designation for November before and after this entry is IX.


These records are from one church in one town. When it became a universal practice across the country and in other church records took time to implement. (as an editor's note... Don't we all take time to adjust to change?)
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So, whenever you come across a date with the month represented by a numeral (either Arabic or Roman), '''very carefully check''' the context to make certain you have the correct month. Most often the numerals you will find follow the pattern outlined above rather than our modern month numbering pattern.
| width="30%" bgcolor="#ADFF85" colspan="3" | <center>'''Days of the Week''' </center>
 
 
'''Days of the Week'''  
 
{| class="FCK__ShowTableBorders"
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| English  
| English  
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