Ireland Military Records: Difference between revisions

<A script created by the FamilySearch Wiki Engineering Team modified a link on this page so it will not break when the Family History Library Catalog changes in late December.>
mNo edit summary
(<A script created by the FamilySearch Wiki Engineering Team modified a link on this page so it will not break when the Family History Library Catalog changes in late December.>)
Line 37: Line 37:
Irish soldiers killed in World War I are listed in:  
Irish soldiers killed in World War I are listed in:  


''Irish National War Memorial Committee. Ireland's Memorial Records, 1914-1918''. 8 vols. Dublin, Ireland: Maunsel and Roberts, 1923. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&filmno=1279333 film 1279333 items 5-12.)]
''Irish National War Memorial Committee. Ireland's Memorial Records, 1914-1918''. 8 vols. Dublin, Ireland: Maunsel and Roberts, 1923. (Family History Library {{FHL|1279333|film|disp=film 1279333 items 5-12.)}}


For more information on twentieth-century army records, see:  
For more information on twentieth-century army records, see:  


Holding, Norman H. ''World War I Army Ancestry.'' 2d ed. Birmingham, England: Federation of Family History Societies, 1991. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M2hoL book Ref 942 M2hoL 1991].)  
Holding, Norman H. ''World War I Army Ancestry.'' 2d ed. Birmingham, England: Federation of Family History Societies, 1991. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 M2hoL|disp=book Ref 942 M2hoL 1991}}.)  


Holding, Norman H. ''More Sources of World War I Ancestry''. 2d ed. Birmingham, England: Federation of Family History Societies, 1991. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M24hn book Ref 942 M24hn 1991].)  
Holding, Norman H. ''More Sources of World War I Ancestry''. 2d ed. Birmingham, England: Federation of Family History Societies, 1991. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 M24hn|disp=book Ref 942 M24hn 1991}}.)  


Post-1913 navy records are at the following address:  
Post-1913 navy records are at the following address:  
Line 59: Line 59:
'''Lists of Officers'''. Published annually, lists of officers provide an officer's name, rank, regiment or ship, and date of commission. For the army, the published version of these records is:''''''  
'''Lists of Officers'''. Published annually, lists of officers provide an officer's name, rank, regiment or ship, and date of commission. For the army, the published version of these records is:''''''  


Great Britain, War Office. ''Army List.'' London, England: various publishers, 1754-. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M25g book 942 M25g]; [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=1680&disp=A+list+of+the+officers+of+the+army%2E%2E%20%20&columns=*,0,0 film 856424-52].) Volumes from 1765 on include indexes.  
Great Britain, War Office. ''Army List.'' London, England: various publishers, 1754-. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 M25g|disp=book 942 M25g}}; {{FHL|1680|title-id|disp=film 856424-52}}.) Volumes from 1765 on include indexes.  


The published list of naval officers is:  
The published list of naval officers is:  


''Great Britain, Admirality. Navy List''. London, England: various publishers. 1814-. (Family History Library[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M25gba book 942 M25gba; film 918928-41 and 990323-26].) The fully indexed Navy List names all commissioned officers, including masters, pursers, surgeons, chaplains, yard officers, coast guardsmen, and reservists who have served in the navy from 1814 to the present.  
''Great Britain, Admirality. Navy List''. London, England: various publishers. 1814-. (Family History Library{{FHL|942 M25gba|disp=book 942 M25gba; film 918928-41 and 990323-26}}.) The fully indexed Navy List names all commissioned officers, including masters, pursers, surgeons, chaplains, yard officers, coast guardsmen, and reservists who have served in the navy from 1814 to the present.  


'''Continuous Service Engagement Books.''' Continuous service engagement books record the continuous service numbers assigned to navy ratings (seamen) since 1853. The records give the name, birth date, birthplace, physical description, and ship of service of each rating. Brief career details were later included as well. From 1872 to 1892, merchant seamen were also listed in these records.  
'''Continuous Service Engagement Books.''' Continuous service engagement books record the continuous service numbers assigned to navy ratings (seamen) since 1853. The records give the name, birth date, birthplace, physical description, and ship of service of each rating. Brief career details were later included as well. From 1872 to 1892, merchant seamen were also listed in these records.  
Line 71: Line 71:
'''Records of military service are at the Public Record Office, Kew.''' Some of the Public Record Office's military records as well as military records of various other repositories throughout Ireland and England are listed in:  
'''Records of military service are at the Public Record Office, Kew.''' Some of the Public Record Office's military records as well as military records of various other repositories throughout Ireland and England are listed in:  


Hayes, Richard J. ''Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilization''. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=941.5+A5h book Ref 941.5 A5h.])&nbsp;Look under the subject index headings "Army," "Navy," "Military," and "Militia." Additional military documents may be found in private collections.  
Hayes, Richard J. ''Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilization''. (Family History Library {{FHL|941.5 A5h|disp=book Ref 941.5 A5h.}})&nbsp;Look under the subject index headings "Army," "Navy," "Military," and "Militia." Additional military documents may be found in private collections.  


For more information on military records at the Public Record Office, see the Bevan and Duncan or Kew Lists handbooks listed at the end of this section.  
For more information on military records at the Public Record Office, see the Bevan and Duncan or Kew Lists handbooks listed at the end of this section.  
Line 83: Line 83:
'''Soldiers.''' If your ancestor was a soldier and he married, died, or had children after 1760 while in the army, he and the regiment to which he belonged may be listed in chaplain's returns or regimental registers. If you cannot identify your ancestor's regiment through these records, the sources you should search to determine his regiment will depend on what you know about your ancestor. If you know:  
'''Soldiers.''' If your ancestor was a soldier and he married, died, or had children after 1760 while in the army, he and the regiment to which he belonged may be listed in chaplain's returns or regimental registers. If you cannot identify your ancestor's regiment through these records, the sources you should search to determine his regiment will depend on what you know about your ancestor. If you know:  


*The place and approximate date (1) of a campaign or battle in which your ancestor fought, (2) of one of his stations, or (3) that his wife gave birth while he was in the service, use: <br><br>John M. Kitzmiller II, "In Search of the Forlorn Hope," 2 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah: Manuscript Publishing Foundation, 1988; Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M2kj book Ref 942 M2kj]) to determine the regiment(s) that were stationed in that place at that time.  
*The place and approximate date (1) of a campaign or battle in which your ancestor fought, (2) of one of his stations, or (3) that his wife gave birth while he was in the service, use: <br><br>John M. Kitzmiller II, "In Search of the Forlorn Hope," 2 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah: Manuscript Publishing Foundation, 1988; Family History Library {{FHL|942 M2kj|disp=book Ref 942 M2kj}}) to determine the regiment(s) that were stationed in that place at that time.  
*The area where your ancestor lived during his late teens, use the handbooks below or regimental histories to determine which regiments were recruited in that area. Regimental histories available at the Family History Library are listed in the&nbsp;Place Search of the catalog under: <br><br>GREAT BRITAIN - MILITARY HISTORY
*The area where your ancestor lived during his late teens, use the handbooks below or regimental histories to determine which regiments were recruited in that area. Regimental histories available at the Family History Library are listed in the&nbsp;Place Search of the catalog under: <br><br>GREAT BRITAIN - MILITARY HISTORY


Line 100: Line 100:
If you think you have found the regiment in which your ancestor served, military histories may help confirm your findings. Most regiments have published histories that record the places where they served and the battles they fought. You can compare the information you know about your ancestor with the history of the regiment to determine whether your ancestor could have served in that regiment. A bibliography of regimental histories is:  
If you think you have found the regiment in which your ancestor served, military histories may help confirm your findings. Most regiments have published histories that record the places where they served and the battles they fought. You can compare the information you know about your ancestor with the history of the regiment to determine whether your ancestor could have served in that regiment. A bibliography of regimental histories is:  


White, Arthur S., comp. ''A Bibliography of Regimental Histories of the British Arm''y. Dallington, East Sussex, England: Naval and Military Press Ltd., 1992. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=561266&disp=A+Bibliography+of+regimental+histories+o%20%20&columns=*,0,0 book 942 M23was].)  
White, Arthur S., comp. ''A Bibliography of Regimental Histories of the British Arm''y. Dallington, East Sussex, England: Naval and Military Press Ltd., 1992. (Family History Library {{FHL|561266|title-id|disp=book 942 M23was}}.)  


Many military and regimental histories are listed in the&nbsp;Place Search of the catalog under:  
Many military and regimental histories are listed in the&nbsp;Place Search of the catalog under:  
Line 108: Line 108:
'''Seamen.''' Navy records seldom mention individual seamen before 1853. If your ancestor served in the navy after 1853, search the index to continuous service engagement books. If he served before 1853, search the muster rolls, description books, or pay lists of the ship on which he served. If you do not know your ancestor's ship, the source you should search to determine the ship will depend on what you know about your ancestor. If you know:  
'''Seamen.''' Navy records seldom mention individual seamen before 1853. If your ancestor served in the navy after 1853, search the index to continuous service engagement books. If he served before 1853, search the muster rolls, description books, or pay lists of the ship on which he served. If you do not know your ancestor's ship, the source you should search to determine the ship will depend on what you know about your ancestor. If you know:  


*A port where your ancestor landed on a specific date, search the list books (Rodger, N. A. M., ''Naval Records for Genealogists'' [Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+A5p book 942 A5p]]), which provide a geographically arranged list of the ports where ships were located on certain dates. These books are available from 1673 on and are held at the Public Records Office, Kew.  
*A port where your ancestor landed on a specific date, search the list books (Rodger, N. A. M., ''Naval Records for Genealogists'' [Family History Library {{FHL|942 A5p|disp=book 942 A5p}}]), which provide a geographically arranged list of the ports where ships were located on certain dates. These books are available from 1673 on and are held at the Public Records Office, Kew.  
*A battle or campaign in which your ancestor was involved, search medal rolls, also held at the Public Record Office, Kew.  
*A battle or campaign in which your ancestor was involved, search medal rolls, also held at the Public Record Office, Kew.  
*Your ancestor was onboard ship in 1861, search the ''1861 Surname Index to Persons on Ships at Sea or in Port'' (Salt Lake City, Utah: Family History Library of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1988; [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&filmno=6025598 fiche 6025598]).  
*Your ancestor was onboard ship in 1861, search the ''1861 Surname Index to Persons on Ships at Sea or in Port'' (Salt Lake City, Utah: Family History Library of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1988; {{FHL|6025598|film|disp=fiche 6025598}}).  
*Your ancestor was onboard ship in 1881, search the ''Surname Index to the 1881 Census of the Royal Navy ''(Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=637557&disp=1881+census+of+England+and+Wales+%5Btran%20%20&columns=*,0,0 fiche 6086362]).  
*Your ancestor was onboard ship in 1881, search the ''Surname Index to the 1881 Census of the Royal Navy ''(Family History Library {{FHL|637557|title-id|disp=fiche 6086362}}).  
*The name of an officer serving with your ancestor, search the Navy List to determine the ship on which that officer served.
*The name of an officer serving with your ancestor, search the Navy List to determine the ship on which that officer served.


'''Naval Officers.''' Naval officers who served from 1695 to 1742 are listed in the following work:  
'''Naval Officers.''' Naval officers who served from 1695 to 1742 are listed in the following work:  


Young, D. H. W., comp.''Index to Commission and Warrant Books of the Admirality of Great Britain and Ireland, 1695-1742.'' London, England: Public Record Office, 1958-59; Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=281452&disp=Index+to+commission+and+warrant+books+of%20%20&columns=*,0,0 film 824516-17].) This index gives the officer's date of commission and a reference to additional information held at the Public Record Office, Kew.  
Young, D. H. W., comp.''Index to Commission and Warrant Books of the Admirality of Great Britain and Ireland, 1695-1742.'' London, England: Public Record Office, 1958-59; Family History Library {{FHL|281452|title-id|disp=film 824516-17}}.) This index gives the officer's date of commission and a reference to additional information held at the Public Record Office, Kew.  


Many officers are listed in published biographies, such as the following:  
Many officers are listed in published biographies, such as the following:  


''The Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy, 1660-1815''. 3 vols. Typescript. Reduplication by Great Britain, Admiralty, 1954. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=281371&disp=The+Commissioned+sea+officers+of+the+Roy%20%20&columns=*,0,0 book 942 M23cs; film 908026-27].)  
''The Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy, 1660-1815''. 3 vols. Typescript. Reduplication by Great Britain, Admiralty, 1954. (Family History Library {{FHL|281371|title-id|disp=book 942 M23cs; film 908026-27}}.)  


For seamen serving as midshipmen (potential officers) between 1799 and 1854, the ''Midshipmen's Papers'' list birth dates and places and parents' names.  
For seamen serving as midshipmen (potential officers) between 1799 and 1854, the ''Midshipmen's Papers'' list birth dates and places and parents' names.  
Line 126: Line 126:
If your naval ancestor is not listed in any of the above sources, consult:  
If your naval ancestor is not listed in any of the above sources, consult:  


Rodger, N. A. M., ''Naval Records for Genealogists.'' (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=833694&disp=Naval+records+for+genealogists%20%20&columns=*,0,0 book 942 A5p].) This book provides&nbsp;other records or strategies you may use.  
Rodger, N. A. M., ''Naval Records for Genealogists.'' (Family History Library {{FHL|833694|title-id|disp=book 942 A5p}}.) This book provides&nbsp;other records or strategies you may use.  


Many sources, list and describe naval ships and give the dates and places they were in service. One example is:  
Many sources, list and describe naval ships and give the dates and places they were in service. One example is:  


Colledge, James J. ''Ships of the Royal Navy''. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press, 1987. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=400175&disp=Ships+of+the+Royal+Navy%20%20&columns=*,0,0 book Ref 942 M3c.)]
Colledge, James J. ''Ships of the Royal Navy''. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press, 1987. (Family History Library {{FHL|400175|title-id|disp=book Ref 942 M3c.)}}


Use sources such as the above to learn more about ships on which you think your ancestor served to determine whether your ancestor could have been on those ships. Other naval histories are listed in the Place Search of the catalog under:  
Use sources such as the above to learn more about ships on which you think your ancestor served to determine whether your ancestor could have been on those ships. Other naval histories are listed in the Place Search of the catalog under:  
Line 168: Line 168:
=== Handbooks for Military Records  ===
=== Handbooks for Military Records  ===


Bevan, Amanda, and Andrea Duncan.''Tracing Your Ancestors in the Public Record Office''. 4th ed. London, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1990. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+A5p+ book Ref 942 A5p no. 19 1990].)  
Bevan, Amanda, and Andrea Duncan.''Tracing Your Ancestors in the Public Record Office''. 4th ed. London, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1990. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 A5p |disp=book Ref 942 A5p no. 19 1990}}.)  


[[England Military Records|England Military Records]]. Salt Lake City, Utah: Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1991. (Wiki article)  
[[England Military Records|England Military Records]]. Salt Lake City, Utah: Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1991. (Wiki article)  
:NOTE: All of the information from the original research outline has been imported into this Wiki site and is being updated here, as time permits.
:NOTE: All of the information from the original research outline has been imported into this Wiki site and is being updated here, as time permits.


Fowler, Simon. ''Army Records for Family Historians''. London: Public Record Office Publications, 1992. (Family History Library[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M27f book Ref 942 M27f.)]
Fowler, Simon. ''Army Records for Family Historians''. London: Public Record Office Publications, 1992. (Family History Library{{FHL|942 M27f|disp=book Ref 942 M27f.)}}


Great Britain, Public Record Office. ''Kew Lists.'' 17 vols. Microfiche ed. Norwich, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1986-88. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+A3gp book 942 A3gp].)  
Great Britain, Public Record Office. ''Kew Lists.'' 17 vols. Microfiche ed. Norwich, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1986-88. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 A3gp|disp=book 942 A3gp}}.)  


Rodger, N. A. M. ''Naval Records for Genealogists.'' 2d ed. London, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1988. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+A5p book Ref 942 A5p no. 22].)  
Rodger, N. A. M. ''Naval Records for Genealogists.'' 2d ed. London, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1988. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 A5p|disp=book Ref 942 A5p no. 22}}.)  


Swinson, Arthur S., ed. ''A Register of the Regiments and Corps of the British Army''. London, England: Archive Press, 1972. (Family History Library [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&callno=942+M2am book Ref 942 M2am<span id="fck_dom_range_temp_1242935438330_658" />].)  
Swinson, Arthur S., ed. ''A Register of the Regiments and Corps of the British Army''. London, England: Archive Press, 1972. (Family History Library {{FHL|942 M2am|disp=book Ref 942 M2am<span id="fck_dom_range_temp_1242935438330_658" />}}.)  


=== Web Sites  ===
=== Web Sites  ===
Anonymous user