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[[User:MorrisGF|G Fröberg Morris']] title [[FamilySearch Wikiproject: Danish Articles Needing Revision|FamilySearch Wikiproject: Danish Articles Needing Revision]] captures that the page is about a project and that the project is on FamilySearch Wiki (for outsiders doing a Google search). [[User:RitcheyMT|Ritcheymt]] 23:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | [[User:MorrisGF|G Fröberg Morris']] title [[FamilySearch Wikiproject: Danish Articles Needing Revision|FamilySearch Wikiproject: Danish Articles Needing Revision]] captures that the page is about a project and that the project is on FamilySearch Wiki (for outsiders doing a Google search). [[User:RitcheyMT|Ritcheymt]] 23:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:If FamilySearch is thinking of having more than one Wiki, then the namespace "WikiProject" might be confused with the other Wikis. Maybe "Research WikiProject" would work, but it is long. I hope we get other ideas from the community. [[User:JensenFA|Franjensen]] 15:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | :If FamilySearch is thinking of having more than one Wiki, then the namespace "WikiProject" might be confused with the other Wikis. Maybe "Research WikiProject" would work, but it is long. I hope we get other ideas from the community. [[User:JensenFA|Franjensen]] 15:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::I can see the benefit of have a ''WikiProject'' or ''Project'' namespace. It would be helpful to understand what other FamilySearch wikis are in the pipeline and how they will effect the Research Wiki. Will they be part of the same MediaWiki installation, ie at ''wiki.familysearch.org'' sharing the same namespaces or will they be on a different server? Perhaps this wiki's server should be renamed ''researchwiki.familysearch.org''. Whatever is decided I have always thought that the namespace ''FamilySearch Wiki'' was too long and thought it would be useful to have an [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespace_alias namespace alias] like ''Project'' set-up. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] 00:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | ::I can see the benefit of have a ''WikiProject'' or ''Project'' namespace. It would be helpful to understand what other FamilySearch wikis are in the pipeline and how they will effect the Research Wiki. Will they be part of the same MediaWiki installation, ie at ''wiki.familysearch.org'' sharing the same namespaces or will they be on a different server? Perhaps this wiki's server should be renamed ''researchwiki.familysearch.org''. Whatever is decided I have always thought that the namespace ''FamilySearch Wiki'' was too long and thought it would be useful to have an [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespace_alias namespace alias] like ''Project'' set-up. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] 00:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::The name researchwiki is not as well known as simple FamilySearch Wiki. In fact FamilySearch Wiki is used in all desktops in the Family History Library. The ONLY place where "Research" was used was somebody thought without consulting anyone in the Wiki team and went ahead to write and print this notice which is on every floor in the FHL.....<br>RESEARCH OUTLINES NOW AVAILABLE ON FAMILYSEARCH WIKI<br>For many years the Family History Library has published various esearch publications. Keeping these publications up-to-date has been difficult with the ever-increasing amounts of data being made available.<br>As a result, many of these publications that have not been updated for years will not be reprinted. Some publications will only be made available until existing stock is depleted.<br>To better meet the needs of those working on their family histories the Family History Library has created a new source of genealogical research information called '''FamilySearch Research Wiki'''. Information from vairous publications has been moved to the free wiki site found at : http://wiki.familysearch.org.<br><br>Whoever wrote that notice NEVER bothered to consult with anyone in the Wiki Team. Desktops say '''FamilySearch Wiki'''.<br>[[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC) | :::The name researchwiki is not as well known as simple FamilySearch Wiki. In fact FamilySearch Wiki is used in all desktops in the Family History Library. The ONLY place where "Research" was used was somebody thought without consulting anyone in the Wiki team and went ahead to write and print this notice which is on every floor in the FHL.....<br>RESEARCH OUTLINES NOW AVAILABLE ON FAMILYSEARCH WIKI<br>For many years the Family History Library has published various esearch publications. Keeping these publications up-to-date has been difficult with the ever-increasing amounts of data being made available.<br>As a result, many of these publications that have not been updated for years will not be reprinted. Some publications will only be made available until existing stock is depleted.<br>To better meet the needs of those working on their family histories the Family History Library has created a new source of genealogical research information called '''FamilySearch Research Wiki'''. Information from vairous publications has been moved to the free wiki site found at : [http://wiki.familysearch.org http://wiki.familysearch.org].<br><br>Whoever wrote that notice NEVER bothered to consult with anyone in the Wiki Team. Desktops say '''FamilySearch Wiki'''.<br>[[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I do not like the cumbersome names of projects as we are currently using them. I would like to see them shortened as much as possible and still retain a brief idea of the content of the project -- enough to draw potential contributors to that project. I would vote for a namespace of ''WikiProject'' (second choice ''Project'') with as short a title as possible following it. At the top of that project's page should be as brief statement of the scope and purpose of that project. Most potential contributors would be willing to click once to get to a page which describes the project in a little more detail, so they could decide whether or not they would like to contribute. I agree with the concern about confusing users of the Wiki by having the projects in the Main namespace and the potential problem of spamming the search results.[[User:Jbparker|Jbparker]] 05:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | :I do not like the cumbersome names of projects as we are currently using them. I would like to see them shortened as much as possible and still retain a brief idea of the content of the project -- enough to draw potential contributors to that project. I would vote for a namespace of ''WikiProject'' (second choice ''Project'') with as short a title as possible following it. At the top of that project's page should be as brief statement of the scope and purpose of that project. Most potential contributors would be willing to click once to get to a page which describes the project in a little more detail, so they could decide whether or not they would like to contribute. I agree with the concern about confusing users of the Wiki by having the projects in the Main namespace and the potential problem of spamming the search results.[[User:Jbparker|Jbparker]] 05:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
: | :Perfect example of a very long namespace gone amok. [[Find your ancestors death records on Coffin Plates the United States, Canada, and England 1800 - 1950|Find_your_ancestors_death_records_on_Coffin_Plates_the_United_States,_Canada,_and_England_1800_-_1950]] | ||
<br> | :All the good reasons to keep the urls short! [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Bottom line, management team to watch every url as they are created and correct them as needed like the latest one you just saw, which could be reduced to simply "Coffin Plates".<br><br>Specific projects should always be simply WikiProject: or FSWikiProject: to avoid any potential confusion with the Wikipedia. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject]. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br> | :Bottom line, management team to watch every url as they are created and correct them as needed like the latest one you just saw, which could be reduced to simply "Coffin Plates".<br><br>Specific projects should always be simply WikiProject: or FSWikiProject: to avoid any potential confusion with the Wikipedia. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject]. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 16:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br> | ||
I'm in favor of creating a separate project namespace, and I like Sammy's suggestion of FSWikiProject. [[User:BakerBH|Bakerbh]] 20:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC) | I'm in favor of creating a separate project namespace, and I like Sammy's suggestion of FSWikiProject. [[User:BakerBH|Bakerbh]] 20:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
I don't think the absence of the string '''FamilySearch''' or '''FS''' in a project title will affect people doing Google searches. They'll still be able to see that a link in the search results leads to the research wiki because of the URL. Therefore, I think we should keep it simple to make titles more intuitive to the non-wiki-initiated. I'm also leaning towards wanting to have projects in the Main namespace for now, and moving them later to a project namespace if necessary. The details of moving them en masse programmatically is at MediaWiki's [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces Manual:Using custom namespaces]. According to that article, if we kept all projects in the main namespace for now and wanted to move them into a custom namespace later, it would be easiest to do it like this: Today we'd name the article <nowiki>'''WikiProject: [project name]'''</nowiki> Note the space between the colon and the first letter of the project. The space would prevent that page from ever being included in a custom namespace. Then years later if we create a custom namespace called '''Wikiproject''', we would then create a script to programmatically remove the space to all these titles as in this example: | I don't think the absence of the string '''FamilySearch''' or '''FS''' in a project title will affect people doing Google searches. They'll still be able to see that a link in the search results leads to the research wiki because of the URL. Therefore, I think we should keep it simple to make titles more intuitive to the non-wiki-initiated. I'm also leaning towards wanting to have projects in the Main namespace for now, and moving them later to a project namespace if necessary. The details of moving them en masse programmatically is at MediaWiki's [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces Manual:Using custom namespaces]. According to that article, if we kept all projects in the main namespace for now and wanted to move them into a custom namespace later, it would be easiest to do it like this: Today we'd name the article <nowiki>'''WikiProject: [project name]'''</nowiki> Note the space between the colon and the first letter of the project. The space would prevent that page from ever being included in a custom namespace. Then years later if we create a custom namespace called '''Wikiproject''', we would then create a script to programmatically remove the space to all these titles as in this example: <nowiki>'''WikiProject:[project title]'''</nowiki> [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 22:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC) | ||