Template talk:FHL: Difference between revisions

:I am trying to find out if other IDs are currently persistent and will continue to be in the future. The whole idea of using the call number is that is something that will never (or very unlikely to) change. In the next version of the FHLC, I do not know what will be available. I am open to changes as long as they meet this type of criteria. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 01:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a locality look-up, summary, or details. I hope a user who clicks an FHLC number in the Wiki is taken to the the FHLC Title Details screen in most cases, and for long lists of film or fiche numbers to the FHLC Film Notes screen. [[User:Diltsgd|Diltsgd]] 15:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

::I just realized something else you said. You requested the type to be displayed (film, book, CD, etc.). According to consensus in the [[FamilySearch Wiki:Format for Citing and Linking to Works in FHLC, Worldcat (OCLC)|Manual of Style]] (as long as I understood it correctly), the media type would not be displayed. If you feel this should be revisited, may I suggest that you put it on a community meeting agenda? It may be worth discussing more. A discussion on what I was referring to with summary or details is more like the questions I posed in the Microfilm section below. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Other discussion may be viewed as part of the [[FamilySearch Wiki talk:Format for Citing and Linking to Works in FHLC, Worldcat (OCLC)#FHLC|Manual of Style]]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 18:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)  

[[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]] pointed out that some problem exists on [[Remich Commune, Luxembourg]] where you find the census in the FHLC, copy the film number (ie. 2398734), use this in {{tlx|FHL|2398734}} with this [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&columns=*,0,0&titleno=2398734&disp=2398734 result]. This link is not right. I found that I was testing some other thing and forgot to change it back. This uses title details which uses some other title number other the the film number. I should have been using (and am back there now) the Film Hit List similar to the Book Hit List where this same example produces this [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*,0,0&filmno=2398734 result]. See [[Template talk:FHL#Title_number|Title number]] section. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 16:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)  

Is there a need to be able to display anything from the FHLC based upon any of the following items (examples provided):  

:I am not opposed to any other options. The factors would require the link to be permanent (in other words, not changing from the current FHLC to the one in beta). Can you provide links to both catalogs of what you would like to see? It may be helpful to provide steps on how you got the results. It would be nice if I had access to those familiar with both on-line catalogs. When you talk about results based upon "place and subject", are you referring to a "Place Search" and a "Subject Search" or doing a "Place Search" and then drilling down to a subject? It kind of sounds like the latter. Summarizing, "Place", "Subject", and "Keyword" may come in handy, but not "Surname", "Title", and "Author" probably are not useful. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 22:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I am waiting for comments from the FHLC engineers as posted in the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=1964 forum]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)  

:I am working on getting information from HQ that will dictate how we interface with the FHLC. Depending on their answers will depend on how this template will expand. It is not a problem with how it is written. I have asked for suggestions a while back and implemented what was requested. Recent requests require information that I am trying to request. Answers probably will not come until after NGS. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Actually, it has been discussed to leave those "film" and "book" types and use the default as is for a couple of reasons. First, the Guiding Principles that were set for in meetings quite a while ago stated that they would refer to film & book numbers and the layout would be "FHL" followed by that number. Secondly, the way the FHL template has mostly been used is with the film / book number. As far as I have seen or heard, only two people have requested the "item" type. I do not have a problem with it any longer (the FHLC people gave me the information that I needed). The problem is that it goes against the Guiding Principles that were set for the use and layout of references to the FHLC. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 21:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)  

::::Thank you Sammy for the comment. This is not a problem with the template, but how you are trying to use the template. One cannot, or should not, just take numbers from one implementation and think that all other numbers will magically work with it. It is not intended for doing locality searches. For almost a year, I have asked about other types of searches including locality searches (see above) and have not got any responses until now. It looks like you had searched for "Baker" as parts of "Oregon" within the current FHLC and selected "Oregon, Baker" to view those details. If you do the same thing in the beta FHLC, you would not get in the URL the same number as the titleno as in the current one. This tells me that the number is not likely a persistent number or at least not accessible the same way. I am not so sure that we should allow listing every single usage of the FHLC. This seems to go against many things talked about in meetings. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 14:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)  

:::::I am not following you. All instances are working as intended & defined. They are working exactly as the FHLC folks have talked about as well. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 20:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:Those are among the questions that I have been asking of the FamilySearch folks and have yet to get an answer. If I remember correctly, I believe I was told that they were going to talk to the FHLC people to find out about the correct links to be used. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 19:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

:I will be very happy to fix this, but would like to hear from the FHLC folks about any other changes that may have happened. They indicated that the links would not change. So much for that, but at least it is easy to change within a template. My testing indicates that that type of searching seems to be the only one affected. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 00:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== FHLC search result URL changed ==

The URLs produced when searching in the FHLC have changed. This means this template is no longer producing valid links. Every link type I have tried ends up with an '''Oops...''' page. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 20:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)