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 :*During an 11 October 2011 meeting of the Wiki Community and Wiki Engineers, a committee was appointed and charged to address issues related to stubs in the wiki. Our report follows; we invite comment and discussion on this forum. Items are numbered to facilitate responses to specific points<br>.<br>1. We need stubs. Without the stub on the page the page does not exist. This also makes the article searchable, and easier to find.
 :*2. Changing the name “stub” is not a good idea; this would cause many dead links and things that would need to be corrected.
 :*3. Develop a system to track all stub pages, so that we can maintain them. Place them on the maintenance page sorted by date of last edit.<br>a. Develop a template to put on a stub page that indicates it will be removed by _____ [insert a date] if content is not added. This would be accompanied by an email to the last contributor to the page of the pending action.
-:*Concerns about adding a date or deleting these pages. &nbsp;Removing leaves no incentive to add to the page. &nbsp;It could be perceived as a threat, rather than an invitation to add more.
+::*Concerns about adding a date or deleting these pages. &nbsp;Removing leaves no incentive to add to the page. &nbsp;It could be perceived as a threat, rather than an invitation to add more.
-:*Some pages were set up but never developed. &nbsp;Moderators and/or Adopters could be looking at Stubs and evaluating them. &nbsp;
+::*Some pages were set up but never developed. &nbsp;Moderators and/or Adopters could be looking at Stubs and evaluating them. &nbsp;
-:*For pages that have been there a long time, projects that are working with these pages could evaluate the usefulness of the page and put the stub template on the page. &nbsp;
+::*For pages that have been there a long time, projects that are working with these pages could evaluate the usefulness of the page and put the stub template on the page. &nbsp;
-:*How do we get stub banner removed on pages that have been developed.
+::*How do we get stub banner removed on pages that have been developed.
-:*A project could link to a list of stubs for that project so that people can see what needs to be added.
+::*A project could link to a list of stubs for that project so that people can see what needs to be added.
 :*<br>b. At present there is a sentence on the FamilySearch Wiki:Stub page (https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/FamilySearch_Wiki:Stub) that seems to capture stubs. It states “Find a listing of them in the Category:Stubs.” This page is inadequate, however; it returned only five stubs (on 12 October 2011). See Category:Help stubs https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Category:Help_stubs. We know there are many more than five.<br><br>4. Refine the criteria for removing stub labels. The present criteria just defines the challenge:<br>FamilySearch Wiki:stub (https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/FamilySearch_Wiki:Stub)<br>“There is no set size at which an article stops being a stub. While very short articles are likely to be stubs, there are some subjects about which there is very little that can be written. Conversely, there are subjects about which a lot could be written - their articles may still be stubs even if they are a few paragraphs long. As such, it is impossible to state whether an article is a stub based solely on its length, and any decision on the article has to come down to an editor's best judgement “<br>We have placed this on the Forums<br>
-:*Wikipedia has a graduated template, depending on the status of the article, but we don't have the people to follow through on something like this. &nbsp;It could be a future project. &nbsp;How do other sites handle this?
+::*Wikipedia has a graduated template, depending on the status of the article, but we don't have the people to follow through on something like this. &nbsp;It could be a future project. &nbsp;How do other sites handle this?
-:*The community could be helpful in working with the stubs.
+::*The community could be helpful in working with the stubs.
-:*Could the contributor evaluate whether the article is needing more information or is complete, but is it ready to be used as a feature article? &nbsp;
+::*Could the contributor evaluate whether the article is needing more information or is complete, but is it ready to be used as a feature article? &nbsp;
-:*The stub template needs to be more inviting. &nbsp;Would you like to help?
+::*The stub template needs to be more inviting. &nbsp;Would you like to help?
-:*Review of short pages are probably stubs but are not identified with the template
+::*Review of short pages are probably stubs but are not identified with the template
 === Business/Announcements  ===
-:*Pass along cards can be mailed out. &nbsp;James Tanner, Lynda Avery, Dorothy Horan, Ken Knight, Linda Carver, Wiki support team,
+::*Pass along cards can be mailed out. &nbsp;James Tanner, Lynda Avery, Dorothy Horan, Ken Knight, Linda Carver, Wiki support team,
 === Style Guide Discussions  ===
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 :*What is the process for selecting feature articles?&nbsp; How do we emphasize the best?&nbsp; How do we make sure less-than-best or less-than-ready don't end up featured? [[User:Lembley|Lise]] 14:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
-:*A criteria is needed - could use one from Wikipedia with refinements.
+::*A criteria is needed - could use one from Wikipedia with refinements.
-:*Would be nice to have a page with articles that will be featured in the near future, so that edits could be made before it's featured. &nbsp;Put a comment on the Talk page so that people will be notified of the change.
+::*Would be nice to have a page with articles that will be featured in the near future, so that edits could be made before it's featured. &nbsp;Put a comment on the Talk page so that people will be notified of the change.
-:*Spam - how to get it removed very quickly - in Forums. &nbsp;Sometimes, there is a time lag before marked threads are dealt with. &nbsp;Could there be a way that the thread is hidden until it is deleted.
+::*Spam - how to get it removed very quickly - in Forums. &nbsp;Sometimes, there is a time lag before marked threads are dealt with. &nbsp;Could there be a way that the thread is hidden until it is deleted.
 :*Subpages – Clarification and possible policy change. [[Help:Subpages|Help:Subpages]] says: “By default, MediaWiki's subpage feature is turned off in the main namespace, but can be used on [[Help:Talk pages|talk pages]] and [[Help:User page|user pages]]. See [[Help:Namespaces|Help:Namespaces]]. In namespaces where the feature is switched off, any slashes (/) within a page name are simply part of the page name and do nothing special.”