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[[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)  
[[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)  


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I read some statements that all FHL book numbers begin with 9. This is not true. There are hundreds of books in the FHL that do not begin with 9. Many are general books, such as dictionaries, and many others are books about religions. Often they are multi-volumn sets and are major collections. The following are examples of US books whose numbers do NOT begin with 9:  
I read some statements that all FHL book numbers begin with 9. This is not true. There are hundreds of books in the FHL that do not begin with 9. Many are general books, such as dictionaries, and many others are books about religions. Often they are multi-volumn sets and are major collections. The following are examples of US books whose numbers do NOT begin with 9:  
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**Most of the rest of the following can also provide more details such as what follows, but the require an ID that may not be persistent.  
**Most of the rest of the following can also provide more details such as what follows, but the require an ID that may not be persistent.  
***[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=853657&subject_disp=Michigan%2C+Allegan%2C+Kalamazoo&columns=*,0,0 Place: Michigan, Allegan, Kalamazoo]  
***[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=853657&subject_disp=Michigan%2C+Allegan%2C+Kalamazoo&columns=*,0,0 Place: Michigan, Allegan, Kalamazoo]  
***[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=185649&subject_disp=New+York%2C+New+York+%28City%29 Place: New York, New York (City)]
***[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=185649&subject_disp=New+York%2C+New+York+%28City%29 Place: New York, New York (City)]  
*[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&surname=Einstein&presurname=Einstein Surname: Einstein]  
*[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&surname=Einstein&presurname=Einstein Surname: Einstein]  
*[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&keyword=Holocaust&prekeyword=Holocaust Keyword: Holocaust]  
*[http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&keyword=Holocaust&prekeyword=Holocaust Keyword: Holocaust]  
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:I am working on getting information from HQ that will dictate how we interface with the FHLC. Depending on their answers will depend on how this template will expand. It is not a problem with how it is written. I have asked for suggestions a while back and implemented what was requested. Recent requests require information that I am trying to request. Answers probably will not come until after NGS. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
:I am working on getting information from HQ that will dictate how we interface with the FHLC. Depending on their answers will depend on how this template will expand. It is not a problem with how it is written. I have asked for suggestions a while back and implemented what was requested. Recent requests require information that I am trying to request. Answers probably will not come until after NGS. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


I recently had a conversation with a few of the higher-ups over the catalog. One said that the title number would be one of the most persistent items in the catalog and the other identfied the number after "%2Fitem%2" in the URL of an item in the catalog as being the title number. Thomas, with this information, can the template documentation be modified? Also, adding the disp= information into the template would help as well. I can work on this, if you would like me to. [[User:Randyhoffman|Randyhoffman]] 21:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I recently had a conversation with a few of the higher-ups over the catalog. One said that the title number would be one of the most persistent items in the catalog and the other identfied the number after "%2Fitem%2" in the URL of an item in the catalog as being the title number. Thomas, with this information, can the template documentation be modified? Also, adding the disp= information into the template would help as well. I can work on this, if you would like me to. [[User:Randyhoffman|Randyhoffman]] 21:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)  
:That is good to know, Randy. However, I have heard from someone else that it was not persistent. I am not sure who to believe at this moment. I will be changing the docs hopefully soon. [[User:Thomas_Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 23:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 
:That is good to know, Randy. However, I have heard from someone else that it was not persistent. I am not sure who to believe at this moment. I will be changing the docs hopefully soon. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 23:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


== Which to keep and which to get rid of  ==
== Which to keep and which to get rid of  ==
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:Thank you Fran for posting this. Which thread did it come from? I was unable to find it. It is similar to one of the posts at the top of this page. Just like films, it shows a similar list. It also matches the information talked about in previous meetings. I suppose if one wants to get to title details, they can use the "item" type and get directly to the collection. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)  
:Thank you Fran for posting this. Which thread did it come from? I was unable to find it. It is similar to one of the posts at the top of this page. Just like films, it shows a similar list. It also matches the information talked about in previous meetings. I suppose if one wants to get to title details, they can use the "item" type and get directly to the collection. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)  
:*The post is is on the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=3242&highlight=pipkin&page=2 second page about two-thirds the way down the screen.] --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 18:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:*The post is is on the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=3242&highlight=pipkin&page=2 second page about two-thirds the way down the screen.] --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 18:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)  
::I am not seeing that posting. Which post number is it in that thread? I only found two postings on page 2 from Pipkin, but they did not include that posting. I searched that page for other keywords and did not find them either. What is going on here? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)  
::I am not seeing that posting. Which post number is it in that thread? I only found two postings on page 2 from Pipkin, but they did not include that posting. I searched that page for other keywords and did not find them either. What is going on here? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)  
:::Finally ran across it on [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=3242&page=7#69 page 7 (posting #69)]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 15:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Finally ran across it on [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=3242&page=7#69 page 7 (posting #69)]. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 15:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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::I went back to the troublesome Template:FHL spot and like you found nothing unusual in regular text. When I clicked the edit button it still looked normal. <br>
::I went back to the troublesome Template:FHL spot and like you found nothing unusual in regular text. When I clicked the edit button it still looked normal. <br>


::But when I switched to WikiText it changed to this: '''[{{FHL&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;#124;974 D22g}}]'''. When I clicked Save page the new normal text display was changed to '''[{{FHL|974 D22g}}]'''. The curly brackets and pipe were now visible where they should not be. <br>
::But when I switched to WikiText it changed to this: '''[{{FHL&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;#124;974 D22g}}]'''. When I clicked Save page the new normal text display was changed to '''[{{FHL|974 D22g}}]'''. The curly brackets and pipe were now visible where they should not be. <br>


::When I went back to edit mode and switched into WikiText the template had transformed into '''[{{FHL&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;#124;974 D22g}}]'''. So we have the return of the multiplying ampersand. [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 14:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)  
::When I went back to edit mode and switched into WikiText the template had transformed into '''[{{FHL&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;#124;974 D22g}}]'''. So we have the return of the multiplying ampersand. [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 14:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)  
:::Definitely would be the editor as suspected. I am not so sure that it has ever been fixed. Out of curiosity, why do you put the template inside of the square brackets? The template creates the link. I am wondering if the square brackets is causing the editor to think that a pipe needs to encoded. Why not just do a <nowiki>{{FHL|974 D22g}}</nowiki> which generates {{FHL|974 D22g}}? Want to try it? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 15:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Definitely would be the editor as suspected. I am not so sure that it has ever been fixed. Out of curiosity, why do you put the template inside of the square brackets? The template creates the link. I am wondering if the square brackets is causing the editor to think that a pipe needs to encoded. Why not just do a <nowiki>{{FHL|974 D22g}}</nowiki> which generates {{FHL|974 D22g}}? Want to try it? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 15:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


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:::::::That is good to know (&amp; not unexpected in my opinion). Thank you for the update. Sorry that the editor does that. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That is good to know (&amp; not unexpected in my opinion). Thank you for the update. Sorry that the editor does that. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


==FHL Templates versus the Tables==
== FHL Templates versus the Tables ==
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Albany_County,_New_York#State


The table is there (now that my preferences had been restored to my taste), this is the problem with the FHL templates versus the tables. Regardless of any template is used, they cause the cells to widen. I am showing only one link to the Catalog to illustrate the problem. [[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]] 23:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Albany_County,_New_York#State
 
The table is there (now that my preferences had been restored to my taste), this is the problem with the FHL templates versus the tables. Regardless of any template is used, they cause the cells to widen. I am showing only one link to the Catalog to illustrate the problem. [[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]] 23:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)  


== disp parameter  ==
== disp parameter  ==
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:It changes the display text . . . see the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=4795 forum thread] discussing this. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 22:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)  
:It changes the display text . . . see the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=4795 forum thread] discussing this. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 22:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)  
::I added an example in the table with what the disp parameter did because it took me a long time to find that parameter - I was looking at the left column for that option. But I might have added it in the wrong part of the table? [[User:VasquezJL|janellv]] 04:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)  
::I added an example in the table with what the disp parameter did because it took me a long time to find that parameter - I was looking at the left column for that option. But I might have added it in the wrong part of the table? [[User:VasquezJL|janellv]] 04:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)  
:::Sounds fine to me. I was talking to people (FS folks) about this a while back. It was against what was decided in a tech meeting and I could see the case for it either way. I never heard back, so it was never documented. [[User:Thomas_Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 16:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Sounds fine to me. I was talking to people (FS folks) about this a while back. It was against what was decided in a tech meeting and I could see the case for it either way. I never heard back, so it was never documented. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 16:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 
== Using template for place search ==
 
I see that the template allows for subject/title/keyword searches, but I don't see options for linking to places, last name, or author search. There are especially a lot of links out there to places. Is there a way to do that? [[User:VasquezJL|janellv]]
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