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::The first item on the table uses the call number in the template and still states "This is the recommended method." That statement is also used in the wiki training. I suggest removing that statement. MY recommended method would be to use the title number (as appears in the URL) as that path leads directly to the description without requiring the user to click on the title to be taken to the information of interest. [[User:Pipkincm|Charlene Pipkin]] 14:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC) | ::The first item on the table uses the call number in the template and still states "This is the recommended method." That statement is also used in the wiki training. I suggest removing that statement. MY recommended method would be to use the title number (as appears in the URL) as that path leads directly to the description without requiring the user to click on the title to be taken to the information of interest. [[User:Pipkincm|Charlene Pipkin]] 14:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
=== | === FS Library or FamilySearch Library? === | ||
Is it too cumbersome to spell out FamilySearch Library for the template? We want to be mindful that many researchers aren't familiar with the acronyms that we use. [[User:Pipkincm|Charlene Pipkin]] 21:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | Is it too cumbersome to spell out FamilySearch Library for the template? We want to be mindful that many researchers aren't familiar with the acronyms that we use. [[User:Pipkincm|Charlene Pipkin]] 21:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
:A very good question. As long as I understand your question correctly, this has actually been discussed in a meeting a while back and the decision was made to use | :A very good question. As long as I understand your question correctly, this has actually been discussed in a meeting a while back and the decision was made to use FS Library as the official style. Changes would require a new discussion and style change. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 21:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
<br>Since we are calling the FS Catalog the FS Library Catalog, do we need to rename this template to reflect that change? [[User:Biffmzc12|Biffmzc12]] 15:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC) | <br>Since we are calling the FS Catalog the FS Library Catalog, do we need to rename this template to reflect that change? [[User:Biffmzc12|Biffmzc12]] 15:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
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I read some statements that all FS Library book numbers begin with 9. This is not true. There are hundreds of books in the | I read some statements that all FS Library book numbers begin with 9. This is not true. There are hundreds of books in the FS Library that do not begin with 9. Many are general books, such as dictionaries, and many others are books about religions. Often they are multi-volumn sets and are major collections. The following are examples of US books whose numbers do NOT begin with 9: | ||
'''011.35 N479''' (Newspapers in Microform: United States) | '''011.35 N479''' (Newspapers in Microform: United States) | ||
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Under "Are these needed?" section - first two items requires 2nd step to get to main record. They are not wanted or encouraged. The one named "FHL Collection", is the exact one we have been asking for long time because they are the main records we want to go to right away. Just get rid of "item", and add comment that nothing is to be added after the record id number at all. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 20:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC) | Under "Are these needed?" section - first two items requires 2nd step to get to main record. They are not wanted or encouraged. The one named "FHL Collection", is the exact one we have been asking for long time because they are the main records we want to go to right away. Just get rid of "item", and add comment that nothing is to be added after the record id number at all. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 20:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Actually, it has been discussed to leave those "film" and "book" types and use the default as is for a couple of reasons. First, the Guiding Principles that were set for in meetings quite a while ago stated that they would refer to film & book numbers and the layout would be "FHL" followed by that number. Secondly, the way the | :Actually, it has been discussed to leave those "film" and "book" types and use the default as is for a couple of reasons. First, the Guiding Principles that were set for in meetings quite a while ago stated that they would refer to film & book numbers and the layout would be "FHL" followed by that number. Secondly, the way the FS Library template has mostly been used is with the film / book number. As far as I have seen or heard, only two people have requested the "item" type. I do not have a problem with it any longer (the FS Catalog people gave me the information that I needed). The problem is that it goes against the Guiding Principles that were set for the use and layout of references to the FS Catalog. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 21:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
::They can't win every time. Some times they have to yield to the reality of technology. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 22:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC) | ::They can't win every time. Some times they have to yield to the reality of technology. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 22:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Ran into a problem, looks like "item" must be used if we are to link to the title subject, otherwise, without the "item", will take you to a record of film. Other problems turned up:<br> | :::Ran into a problem, looks like "item" must be used if we are to link to the title subject, otherwise, without the "item", will take you to a record of film. Other problems turned up:<br> | ||
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=207061 - | http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=207061 - FS Library|207061|item - will take you to http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=207061 for Polk County, Missouri Land Sales. (Bleech!) Some work is needed to enable anyone to go to the whole county or whole state or province or country instead of being diverted to title-detail record.<br>If specific record is referred to, it works like it should be. | ||
::::Thank you Sammy for the comment. This is not a problem with the template, but how you are trying to use the template. One cannot, or should not, just take numbers from one implementation and think that all other numbers will magically work with it. It is not intended for doing locality searches. For almost a year, I have asked about other types of searches including locality searches (see above) and have not got any responses until now. It looks like you had searched for "Baker" as parts of "Oregon" within the current FS Catalog and selected "Oregon, Baker" to view those details. If you do the same thing in the beta FS Catalog, you would not get in the URL the same number as the titleno as in the current one. This tells me that the number is not likely a persistent number or at least not accessible the same way. I am not so sure that we should allow listing every single usage of the FS Catalog. This seems to go against many things talked about in meetings. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 14:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | ::::Thank you Sammy for the comment. This is not a problem with the template, but how you are trying to use the template. One cannot, or should not, just take numbers from one implementation and think that all other numbers will magically work with it. It is not intended for doing locality searches. For almost a year, I have asked about other types of searches including locality searches (see above) and have not got any responses until now. It looks like you had searched for "Baker" as parts of "Oregon" within the current FS Catalog and selected "Oregon, Baker" to view those details. If you do the same thing in the beta FS Catalog, you would not get in the URL the same number as the titleno as in the current one. This tells me that the number is not likely a persistent number or at least not accessible the same way. I am not so sure that we should allow listing every single usage of the FS Catalog. This seems to go against many things talked about in meetings. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 14:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::::My square brackets are just punctuation. I was taught to put brackets around call numbers in a citation situation. [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 15:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | ::::My square brackets are just punctuation. I was taught to put brackets around call numbers in a citation situation. [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 15:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Understood, but the Wiki interprets square brackets as something else and is likely causing the problems for you. As I recall, the format of the display was discussed in a meeting and the | :::::Understood, but the Wiki interprets square brackets as something else and is likely causing the problems for you. As I recall, the format of the display was discussed in a meeting and the FS Library template was generated based upon that. Maybe it should be discussed again, not really sure. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 15:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::I changed the square brackets to parenthesis and the whole problem went away. No more multiplying ampersands, and a normal call number display were the result. Thank you very much! [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 18:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | ::::::I changed the square brackets to parenthesis and the whole problem went away. No more multiplying ampersands, and a normal call number display were the result. Thank you very much! [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 18:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::That is good to know (& not unexpected in my opinion). Thank you for the update. Sorry that the editor does that. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | :::::::That is good to know (& not unexpected in my opinion). Thank you for the update. Sorry that the editor does that. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
== | == FS Library Templates versus the Tables == | ||
[[Albany_County,_New_York#State|Albany County, New York State]] | [[Albany_County,_New_York#State|Albany County, New York State]] | ||
The table is there (now that my preferences had been restored to my taste), this is the problem with the | The table is there (now that my preferences had been restored to my taste), this is the problem with the FS Library templates versus the tables. Regardless of any template is used, they cause the cells to widen. I am showing only one link to the Catalog to illustrate the problem. [[User:Dsammy|Dsammy]] 23:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
== disp parameter == | == disp parameter == | ||
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== Links using the Item parameter requires URL change == | == Links using the Item parameter requires URL change == | ||
[[User:Dianekay]] contacted me about some of the | [[User:Dianekay]] contacted me about some of the FS Library links she had been added returning an error. The examples of links producing this are in the page/section [[Franklin County, Illinois#Land_and_Property]]. Looking at the links that have been added using {{tl|FHL}} template, these all use the '''<tt>item</tt>''' parameter. I then compared the URL produced by the template for these links and the links in the catalog (once I had performed a manual lookup). I believe that there must have been a recent change in the way these URLs are produced in the catalog. Part of the URL has changed from '''<tt>catalog.familysearch.org</tt>''' to '''<tt>catalog-search-api</tt>''' and this needs to be reflected in the template for the '''<tt>item</tt>''' parameter. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] ([[User talk:Cottrells|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]) 20:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
:I will be very happy to fix this, but would like to hear from the FS Catalog folks about any other changes that may have happened. They indicated that the links would not change. So much for that, but at least it is easy to change within a template. My testing indicates that that type of searching seems to be the only one affected. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 00:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | :I will be very happy to fix this, but would like to hear from the FS Catalog folks about any other changes that may have happened. They indicated that the links would not change. So much for that, but at least it is easy to change within a template. My testing indicates that that type of searching seems to be the only one affected. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 00:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
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