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=== Template Modification? === | === Template Modification? === | ||
Currently this template links to the call number page for books. This isn't as useful as linking to the title page. Can this be changed?[[User:Pipkincm|Charlene Pipkin]] 16:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) | Currently this template links to the call number page for books. This isn't as useful as linking to the title page. Can this be changed?[[User:Pipkincm|Charlene Pipkin]] 16:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I am trying to find out if other IDs are currently persistent and will continue to be in the future. The whole idea of using the call number is that is something that will never (or very unlikely to) change. In the next version of the FHLC, I do not know what will be available. I am open to changes as long as they meet this type of criteria. [[User: | |||
:I am trying to find out if other IDs are currently persistent and will continue to be in the future. The whole idea of using the call number is that is something that will never (or very unlikely to) change. In the next version of the FHLC, I do not know what will be available. I am open to changes as long as they meet this type of criteria. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 01:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
=== FHL or Family History Library? === | === FHL or Family History Library? === | ||
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[[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
I read a statement that all FHL book numbers begin with 9. This is not true. There are hundreds of books in the FHL that do not begin with 9. Many are general books, such as dictionaries, and many others are books about religions. Often they are multi-volumn sets and are major collections. The following are examples of US books whose numbers do NOT begin with 9: | |||
'''011.35 N479''' (Newspapers in Microform: United States) | |||
'''016.091 N21''' (National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections) | |||
'''016.9291 K128g''' (Genealogies in the Library of Congress) | |||
'''266.00922 B52''' (Biographical Dictionary of Christian Missions) | |||
'''289.3 Ea85m''' (Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830-1848) | |||
'''289.3 G286g''' (Genealogical Surveys of LDS Members: Autobiographies and Ancestors) | |||
'''289.309 R541c''' (Comprehensive History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) | |||
'''289.333 B561e''' (Early Members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) | |||
'''403.41 Sco87c''' (A Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue) | |||
'''423 W395c''' (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary) | |||
'''428.1 M855a''' (Acronyms, Initialisms, and Abbreviations Dictionary) | |||
'''792.026 K824h''' (A History of Costume) | |||
Marilyn Markham | |||
== CDs == | == CDs == | ||
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:::Ran into a problem, looks like "item" must be used if we are to link to the title subject, otherwise, without the "item", will take you to a record of film. Other problems turned up:<br> | :::Ran into a problem, looks like "item" must be used if we are to link to the title subject, otherwise, without the "item", will take you to a record of film. Other problems turned up:<br> | ||
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=207061 - FHL|207061|item - will take you to http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=207061 for Polk County, Missouri Land Sales. (Bleech!) Some work is needed to enable anyone to go to the whole county or whole state or province or country instead of being diverted to title-detail record.<br> If specific record is referred to, it works like it should be. | http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=207061 - FHL|207061|item - will take you to http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=207061 for Polk County, Missouri Land Sales. (Bleech!) Some work is needed to enable anyone to go to the whole county or whole state or province or country instead of being diverted to title-detail record.<br>If specific record is referred to, it works like it should be. | ||
::::Thank you Sammy for the comment. This is not a problem with the template, but how you are trying to use the template. One cannot, or should not, just take numbers from one implementation and think that all other numbers will magically work with it. It is not intended for doing locality searches. For almost a year, I have asked about other types of searches including locality searches (see above) and have not got any responses until now. It looks like you had searched for "Baker" as parts of "Oregon" within the current FHLC and selected "Oregon, Baker" to view those details. If you do the same thing in the beta FHLC, you would not get in the URL the same number as the titleno as in the current one. This tells me that the number is not likely a persistent number or at least not accessible the same way. I am not so sure that we should allow listing every single usage of the FHLC. This seems to go against many things talked about in meetings. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 14:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | ::::Thank you Sammy for the comment. This is not a problem with the template, but how you are trying to use the template. One cannot, or should not, just take numbers from one implementation and think that all other numbers will magically work with it. It is not intended for doing locality searches. For almost a year, I have asked about other types of searches including locality searches (see above) and have not got any responses until now. It looks like you had searched for "Baker" as parts of "Oregon" within the current FHLC and selected "Oregon, Baker" to view those details. If you do the same thing in the beta FHLC, you would not get in the URL the same number as the titleno as in the current one. This tells me that the number is not likely a persistent number or at least not accessible the same way. I am not so sure that we should allow listing every single usage of the FHLC. This seems to go against many things talked about in meetings. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 14:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Guess which one is accurate? | Guess which one is accurate? | ||
first one went to Polk County Missouri - "Land sales in area of Polk County, Missouri..."<br> | first one went to Polk County Missouri - "Land sales in area of Polk County, Missouri..."<br>2nd one went to "Registres paroissiaux, 1587-1792"<br>3rd one went to "The History of Baker County, Oregon" (can't be book only because it is available on film, too, hence one link is sufficient, redundant linking - good grief!) | ||
2nd one went to "Registres paroissiaux, 1587-1792"< | |||
3rd one went to "The History of Baker County, Oregon" (can't be book only because it is available on film, too, hence one link is sufficient, redundant linking - good grief!) | |||
As you ca see, some of them are not working as intended. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC) | As you ca see, some of them are not working as intended. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
::The template IS working as intended and designed. You are attempting to use it in a way that it was never intended nor designed. The subject ID is not the same as any of the other IDs that are used in the template. [[User: | ::The template IS working as intended and designed. You are attempting to use it in a way that it was never intended nor designed. The subject ID is not the same as any of the other IDs that are used in the template. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Linking to books == | == Linking to books == | ||
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:Thank you Fran for posting this. Which thread did it come from? I was unable to find it. It is similar to one of the posts at the top of this page. Just like films, it shows a similar list. It also matches the information talked about in previous meetings. I suppose if one wants to get to title details, they can use the "item" type and get directly to the collection. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | :Thank you Fran for posting this. Which thread did it come from? I was unable to find it. It is similar to one of the posts at the top of this page. Just like films, it shows a similar list. It also matches the information talked about in previous meetings. I suppose if one wants to get to title details, they can use the "item" type and get directly to the collection. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 05:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:*The post is is on the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=3242&highlight=pipkin&page=2 second page about two-thirds the way down the screen.] --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 18:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC) | :*The post is is on the [http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=3242&highlight=pipkin&page=2 second page about two-thirds the way down the screen.] --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 18:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I am not seeing that posting. Which post number is it in that thread? I only found two postings on page 2 from Pipkin, but they did not include that posting. I searched that page for other keywords and did not find them either. What is going on here? [[User: | ::I am not seeing that posting. Which post number is it in that thread? I only found two postings on page 2 from Pipkin, but they did not include that posting. I searched that page for other keywords and did not find them either. What is going on here? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC) | ||