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::Granted both are complicated to edit, but the portal far more complicated and I tried once and got it so messed up, had to ask sysop for assistance. Portals are scaring off the potential user/contributors. We aren't attracting contributors like we should to those ones in desperate need of contributions. Therefore, ditch the portal format in favor of the non-portal format. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Granted both are complicated to edit, but the portal far more complicated and I tried once and got it so messed up, had to ask sysop for assistance. Portals are scaring off the potential user/contributors. We aren't attracting contributors like we should to those ones in desperate need of contributions. Therefore, ditch the portal format in favor of the non-portal format. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Oh by the way, in portals, the TOCs are uncreateable. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Oh by the way, in portals, the TOCs are uncreateable. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 18:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I agree that we are not attracting contributors like we should. However, I personally do not believe the portals would be even a major reason. I will stop now as I want to try to keep this to the subject at hand. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::I agree that we are not attracting contributors like we should. However, I personally do not believe the portals would be even a major reason. I will stop now as I want to try to keep this to the subject at hand. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Thomas, you need to step aside from being a engineer and try simply being a researcher. They don't think the way you do. They think more of subjects that are not being picked up even by Google because they are inside portal boxes. This is the weakness of the Portals. Go to the "Un-Portal" portal format, and they will be picked up more easily. This is my last comment. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 19:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Thomas, you need to step aside from being a engineer and try simply being a researcher. They don't think the way you do. They think more of subjects that are not being picked up even by Google because they are inside portal boxes. This is the weakness of the Portals. Go to the "Un-Portal" portal format, and they will be picked up more easily. This is my last comment. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 19:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I thank you for you comments. I do quite well looking at problems as an engineer, user, researcher, and from many different perspectives . . . even at the same time. I have seen no evidence that Google does not index things because they are in portal boxes. When some others have looked at the data from a different perspective, they have agreed. I just want to make sure this is an informed decision based upon evidence rather than guesses on how things work. I am not saying that anyone in particular is guessing at anything, just I have not seen any evidence cited. Like I said, I am not currently for or against the change, just trying to collect information to make the informed decision. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas Lerman]] 19:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
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