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Page to write: How to get birth information when civil birth records don't exist. Include comprehensive discussion of levels and sources..ie county vs state...why should get both...where orig located in x time period, before moved to present location, etc...history of county record keeping [for this we can include that in the timeline history for each county, and have something quite general on this suggested page.) | |||
*In the Wiki contributors mtg Tues 17 Apr (Wilma gone) they presented the NY project as being done well as refered us to town page for an example..but I switch to county ([https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Dutchess_County,_New_York Dutchess])....I thought they had some really good structure thoughts for the vital records section that we may want to consider. One thing they didn't do, that I would have done was make the vital records section a separate page. Take a look at it. | *In the Wiki contributors mtg Tues 17 Apr (Wilma gone) they presented the NY project as being done well as refered us to town page for an example..but I switch to county ([https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Dutchess_County,_New_York Dutchess])....I thought they had some really good structure thoughts for the vital records section that we may want to consider. One thing they didn't do, that I would have done was make the vital records section a separate page. Take a look at it. | ||
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[[User:JanaStokes|JanaStokes]] 17:06, 23 April 2012 (UTC) | [[User:JanaStokes|JanaStokes]] 17:06, 23 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
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===== Summaries of minutes ===== | ===== Summaries of minutes ===== | ||
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**2) If they can't find it from the major sources, what do they do. | **2) If they can't find it from the major sources, what do they do. | ||
**3) Then help them get other records that may provide more clues. (How do we move them toward other skills?) | **3) Then help them get other records that may provide more clues. (How do we move them toward other skills?) | ||
**4) Then help them know how to deal with clues. Not part of Utah project to write, but to Link only Analyze, see clues, etc. US and Utah VR pages have separate pages on how to use birth, death, marriage. | **4) Then help them know how to deal with clues. Not part of Utah project to write, but to Link only Analyze, see clues, etc. US and Utah VR pages have separate pages on how to use birth, death, marriage. | ||
*Create a page (or add to the state page) a link to alternative resources and be sure they are well explained in that area. Exceptions that affect a county should be explained within that county. That breakout page is a good place to explain anomalies about collections. | *Create a page (or add to the state page) a link to alternative resources and be sure they are well explained in that area. Exceptions that affect a county should be explained within that county. That breakout page is a good place to explain anomalies about collections. | ||
**Refer to NY VR pages for examples to employ or modify | **Refer to NY VR pages for examples to employ or modify | ||
**Add a link from Historical Records pages to Utah VR page. | **Add a link from Historical Records pages to Utah VR page. | ||
*We need a footnoting task description. Marilyn has much on this already and will email to Liz, Jana, Wilma. | *We need a footnoting task description. Marilyn has much on this already and will email to Liz, Jana, Wilma. | ||
*Must-haves on the section: | *Must-haves on the section: | ||
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*She gives more thoughts below the table for specific date ranges. | *She gives more thoughts below the table for specific date ranges. | ||
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''5/16 meeting summary'' | ''5/16 meeting summary'' | ||
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**The idea was if no vital rec then to send them to that county's church rec section—not to a State page where: | **The idea was if no vital rec then to send them to that county's church rec section—not to a State page where: | ||
***After reading about all the alternatives (including some state-wide sources link which they would tend to click on and go off and search) | ***After reading about all the alternatives (including some state-wide sources link which they would tend to click on and go off and search) | ||
***They would have to remember to come back to the county page to pick up county specific church resources not mentioned on the state page. | ***They would have to remember to come back to the county page to pick up county specific church resources not mentioned on the state page. | ||
**Birth info could be in any type of record -- and a very long list | **Birth info could be in any type of record -- and a very long list | ||
**Which alternative record is most effective at getting me the birth date? | **Which alternative record is most effective at getting me the birth date? | ||
*Don't make the table too long | *Don't make the table too long | ||
**What do we do when there are several "gap" dates? That in itself makes the table longer. But also more valuable to the user. | **What do we do when there are several "gap" dates? That in itself makes the table longer. But also more valuable to the user. | ||
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**Point to a state page that can give a long list of alternatives | **Point to a state page that can give a long list of alternatives | ||
**Where do we draw the line on alternative sources? On the state page, on the county page? | **Where do we draw the line on alternative sources? On the state page, on the county page? | ||
**And when do we link to that page with sources that offer hope and supplemental info? | **And when do we link to that page with sources that offer hope and supplemental info? | ||
*"When [birth] records don't exist" area -- at the top or bottom of the chart | *"When [birth] records don't exist" area -- at the top or bottom of the chart | ||
**Preferrably linkable from within the chart | **Preferrably linkable from within the chart | ||
*Pat is cleaning up the state VR page. Please don't work on it until she has finished. | *Pat is cleaning up the state VR page. Please don't work on it until she has finished. | ||
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I thought about combining years---not showing ALL the non extant years; but realized idea was not acceptable---showing the non extant years is what made the table priceless in terms of efficiency. For example often Ancestry and Historical Records will entitle their collection "1800-1900", when really there is no coverage for year 1880, 1891, etc and so you are flat out WASTING your time searching those collections for 1880 birth---especially considering all the name variations/transcription errors one has to adjust for and search for in attempting to find an individual. | I thought about combining years---not showing ALL the non extant years; but realized idea was not acceptable---showing the non extant years is what made the table priceless in terms of efficiency. For example often Ancestry and Historical Records will entitle their collection "1800-1900", when really there is no coverage for year 1880, 1891, etc and so you are flat out WASTING your time searching those collections for 1880 birth---especially considering all the name variations/transcription errors one has to adjust for and search for in attempting to find an individual. | ||
So, in the end, I ended up a baffled, confused, zapped soul---in great need of some chocolate ;) .....leaning towards the table belonging on a separate birth records county page because of it's length and having no decent ideas on what to put regarding births on the county page. | So, in the end, I ended up a baffled, confused, zapped soul---in great need of some chocolate ;) .....leaning towards the table belonging on a separate birth records county page because of it's length and having no decent ideas on what to put regarding births on the county page. | ||
==== Marriage ==== | ==== Marriage ==== | ||