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=== Using Cite web template === | === Using Cite web template === | ||
'''1904:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Baltimore_Fire Great Baltimore Fire] left 35,000 without jobs.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&amp;oldid=269520358 |title=Great Baltimore Fire |author=Wikipedia contributors |work= | '''1904:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Baltimore_Fire Great Baltimore Fire] left 35,000 without jobs.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&amp;oldid=269520358 |title=Great Baltimore Fire |author=Wikipedia contributors |work=Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia |accessdate=18 February 2009}}</ref> | ||
=== Link not used a reference === | === Link not used as a reference === | ||
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&oldid=269520358 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&oldid=269520358 | ||
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:If you view the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&page=Great_Baltimore_Fire&id=269520358 cite this page link] from the article you will see that David Dilts is using the Chicago style. That being the case I do not think the example ''using the Wpd template'' is good enough for a full bibliographic citation. What has happened to ''code by hand'' example shows that the problem is still existing but only when the rich text editor is used. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] 17:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | :If you view the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&page=Great_Baltimore_Fire&id=269520358 cite this page link] from the article you will see that David Dilts is using the Chicago style. That being the case I do not think the example ''using the Wpd template'' is good enough for a full bibliographic citation. What has happened to ''code by hand'' example shows that the problem is still existing but only when the rich text editor is used. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] 17:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I agree that the full citation is not being used correctly in that example. What I am suggesting is maybe expanding the template to create the citation. I admit that I do not know that much about the different styles. Is showing possibly an old version of the article what is suggested? Anyway, back to the problem . . . I saw 1 (valid '&') + 3 (invalid "amp;"). When I edited and went into Wikitext, I see 1+4. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 17:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | ::I agree that the full citation is not being used correctly in that example. What I am suggesting is maybe expanding the template to create the citation. I admit that I do not know that much about the different styles. Is showing possibly an old version of the article what is suggested? Anyway, back to the problem . . . I saw 1 (valid '&') + 3 (invalid "amp;"). When I edited and went into Wikitext, I see 1+4. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 17:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::P.S. Coming in for this P.S., I see 1+4 displayed and in the Editor's box when hit the "<nowiki><R></nowiki>" in the toolbar with 1+5 when going into Wikitext. Going to WYSIWYG still shows 1+5 and going back to Wikitext shows 1+6. In other words, switching from WYSIWYG to Wikitext is where the problem occurs. Expanding {{tl|Wpd}} may work, but even better may be using {{tl|cite web}} as you did with your new example. [[User:Thomas_Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18: | :::P.S. Coming in for this P.S., I see 1+4 displayed and in the Editor's box when hit the "<nowiki><R></nowiki>" in the toolbar with 1+5 when going into Wikitext. Going to WYSIWYG still shows 1+5 and going back to Wikitext shows 1+6. In other words, switching from WYSIWYG to Wikitext is where the problem occurs. Expanding {{tl|Wpd}} may work, but even better may be using {{tl|cite web}} as you did with your new example. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Oops, I spoke too soon. The URL used in {{tl|cite web}} is still within the '''ref''' tag, so it still has the same problem. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
Yes still the same problem. I thought that the plain URL would have got messed up too, but it hasn't. I hunted around and found this reference to [http://dev.fckeditor.net/ticket/2544 fckeditor bug 2544] which seems to match what we are experiencing. The last post gives a fix for the '''fckplugin.js''' --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] | |||
:Thank you for checking that out. It is a busy day for me, so I was not able to search for it. I hope that works. It would be nice to fix the problems David is trying to get around with all of these templates. We can check out the other problem too. I am creating a similar test page for {{tl|HBLL}} (the other problem). [[User:Thomas_Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 12:43, 22 March 2010
Bug testing
Using this template, that has been created as a workaround for a bug, to try and find what the problem is so that it can be documented for the engineers.
Using the template
1904: Great Baltimore Fire left 35,000 without jobs.[1]
Using the Wpd template
1904: Great Baltimore Fire left 35,000 without jobs.[2]
Coded by hand
1904: Great Baltimore Fire left 35,000 without jobs.[3]
Using Cite web template
1904: Great Baltimore Fire left 35,000 without jobs.[4]
Link not used as a reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&oldid=269520358
Sources
- ↑ Wikipedia contributors, "Great Baltimore Fire," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&oldid=269520358 (accessed February 18, 2009).
- ↑ Great Baltimore Fire
- ↑ Wikipedia contributors, "Great Baltimore Fire," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;oldid=269520358 (accessed February 18, 2009).
- ↑ Wikipedia contributors. "Great Baltimore Fire". Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Baltimore_Fire&oldid=269520358. Retrieved 18 February 2009.
Testing results
I added another example of how it is possible to do this, but using {{Wpd}} completely (it is missing source citation information). I noticed that the reference that they created is pointing to an archive version of the article. I am not sure why this might be and it does not seem like a good idea without using what should be the permalink. If you look at the the "Coded by hand" example has multiple "amp;" following the '&' character. This shows what happens when switching in and out of Wikitext & WYSIWYG (or the other way around) . . . only when the '&' is within a <ref> </ref> pair. Thomas_Lerman 17:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- If you view the cite this page link from the article you will see that David Dilts is using the Chicago style. That being the case I do not think the example using the Wpd template is good enough for a full bibliographic citation. What has happened to code by hand example shows that the problem is still existing but only when the rich text editor is used. --Steve 17:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that the full citation is not being used correctly in that example. What I am suggesting is maybe expanding the template to create the citation. I admit that I do not know that much about the different styles. Is showing possibly an old version of the article what is suggested? Anyway, back to the problem . . . I saw 1 (valid '&') + 3 (invalid "amp;"). When I edited and went into Wikitext, I see 1+4. Thomas_Lerman 17:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. Coming in for this P.S., I see 1+4 displayed and in the Editor's box when hit the "<R>" in the toolbar with 1+5 when going into Wikitext. Going to WYSIWYG still shows 1+5 and going back to Wikitext shows 1+6. In other words, switching from WYSIWYG to Wikitext is where the problem occurs. Expanding {{Wpd}} may work, but even better may be using {{cite web}} as you did with your new example. Thomas_Lerman 18:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Oops, I spoke too soon. The URL used in {{cite web}} is still within the ref tag, so it still has the same problem. Thomas_Lerman 18:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that the full citation is not being used correctly in that example. What I am suggesting is maybe expanding the template to create the citation. I admit that I do not know that much about the different styles. Is showing possibly an old version of the article what is suggested? Anyway, back to the problem . . . I saw 1 (valid '&') + 3 (invalid "amp;"). When I edited and went into Wikitext, I see 1+4. Thomas_Lerman 17:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes still the same problem. I thought that the plain URL would have got messed up too, but it hasn't. I hunted around and found this reference to fckeditor bug 2544 which seems to match what we are experiencing. The last post gives a fix for the fckplugin.js --Steve
- Thank you for checking that out. It is a busy day for me, so I was not able to search for it. I hope that works. It would be nice to fix the problems David is trying to get around with all of these templates. We can check out the other problem too. I am creating a similar test page for {{HBLL}} (the other problem). Thomas_Lerman 18:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)